Thank you Mahadeswara ji and Garg ji. The hairs on the sepals from this post are different from the ones in the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>,
I am a bit confused. Are both of them C. ladakhiana? Regards Alka Khare On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 2:05:11 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Pl. see the detailed descriptions from BSI Flora of India: > > > > *Clematis ladakhiana * > <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4> > Grey-Wilson > > *Clematis orientalis * > <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>L. > > > > > > > *Shrubs, climbing or straggling;* stems up to 2 - 3 m long, tinged with > purplish brown, slightly pubescent to glabrous. Leaves pinnate with 5 - 7 > leaflets or more or less bipinnate; *leaflets narrow-lanceolate, entire > or with 1 - 2 lobes in the lower part, caudate-acute at apex, *(1.5 -) > 2.7 - 9 x 0.4 - 2 cm, glabrous or subglabrous above and beneath, glaucous > green. > > > > > > > > > Flowers axillary, yellow, often tinged or spotted with purplish brown or > reddish brown outside; peduncles 0.6 - 4.7 cm long; bracts similar to > leaves, generally with 3 - 5 leaflets; pedicels slender, 1.5 - 12 cm long, > sparsely pubescent to subglabrous. *Sepals narrow-lanceolate to elliptic, > acute to acuminate,* 15 - 25 x 4 - 10 mm, *glabrous to subglabrous > outside, pubescent along margins, densely pubescent inside.* Filaments 6 > - 10 mm long; anthers 2 - 3 mm long. Styles up to 4 cm long in fruit. > > *Fl. *July - Sept. > > *Large woody climbers or scramblers, *up to 8 m long; stems and branches > angular, whitish grey or tinged with purplish red, sparsely pilose. Leaves > pinnate, up to 7-foliolate or somewhat bipinnate and up to 9-foliolate; > petioles 2 - 10 cm long; *leaflets oblong-lanceolate, elliptic or ovate > or linear-oblong,* *simple or 2 - 3-lobed or deeply cleft, entire or > sometimes trilobed, *oblique, cuneate or rounded at base, *obtuse or > subacute at apex,* (1-) 2.5 - 6.5 x 0.5 - 3.5(-5) cm, glabrous or > sparsely pilose, greyish green or glaucous; petiolules 5 - 30 mm long, > pilose. Inflorescences axillary or terminal, elongated, 3-many- flowered, > leafy cymes; peduncles 0.5 - 9.5 cm long; pedicels slender, 0.5 - 5 cm > long, curved at apex, pilose, elongating in fruit; bracts oblong, elliptic > or ovate, 2 - 20 x 1 - 10 mm, entire, unifoliolate, pinnate or 2 - 3-lobed, > shortly petiolate, greyish green; flower buds ovoid, acute, dark red. > Flowers 3 - 5 cm across, pale yellow, greenish yellow or cream-coloured, > sometimes purplish brown inside, tinged with red-violet outside, often > mottled with purple. *Sepals 4, ovate, oblong or elliptic, acute or > subacute, *11 - 15 x 4 - 7.5 mm, *spreading, recurved later, silky > villous outside or on both surfaces.* Stamens 20 - 40; filaments slender, > broad at base, 4 - 8 mm long, yellow or dark purple; anthers 2.5 - 4 mm > long. Carpels many, 5 - 11 mm long, ellipsoid or rhomboid; style 4 - 10 mm > long, pubescent. Achenes rhomboid, laterally compound, ribbed at margins, 2 > - 4 x 1 - 2 mm, dark brown, pubescent with 2.5 - 5 cm long hairy tails. > > *Fl. & Fr. *July - Sept. > > > > > > > > Going by this, I will go for *Clematis ladakhiana *Grey-Wilson. > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 17:06, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here are the keys from BSI Flora of India >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=1429&type=3>: >> b. Inflorescence a panicle of 5 - several flowers; sepals acute or >> subacute at apex, pubescent along inner margins *14* >> 14a. Leaflets long acuminate; filaments 2 - 3 times as long as anthers >> 17. *Clematis ladakhiana >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4>* >> b. Leaflets obtuse or acute; filaments less than 2 times as long as >> anthers 22. *Clematis orientalis >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>* >> What should we consider these leaflets: 'long acuminate' or 'obtuse or >> acute', in absence of anthers? >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 21:09, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OK Alka ji ! >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Saroj ji again >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Alka Khare >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:50:10 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar Kasaju >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Clematis orientalis *L. ! >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 8:59 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>> >>>>>> This was on the banks of the Pangong tso. >>>>>> This looks different from the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>, >>>>>> >>>>>> particularly the leaves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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