I think both are Clematis ladakhiana Grey-Wilson. On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 12:20, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sepals are acuminate here. I have to check the other one. > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Tue, 25 Oct, 2022, 12:08 pm Alka Khare, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Mahadeswara ji and Garg ji. >> >> The hairs on the sepals from this post are different from the ones in the >> Clematis >> I had posted from Mulbekh >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ> >> , >> >> I am a bit confused. Are both of them C. ladakhiana? >> >> Regards >> Alka Khare >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 2:05:11 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >> >>> Pl. see the detailed descriptions from BSI Flora of India: >>> >>> >>> >>> *Clematis ladakhiana * >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4> >>> Grey-Wilson >>> >>> *Clematis orientalis * >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4> >>> L. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Shrubs, climbing or straggling;* stems up to 2 - 3 m long, tinged with >>> purplish brown, slightly pubescent to glabrous. Leaves pinnate with 5 - 7 >>> leaflets or more or less bipinnate; *leaflets narrow-lanceolate, entire >>> or with 1 - 2 lobes in the lower part, caudate-acute at apex, *(1.5 -) >>> 2.7 - 9 x 0.4 - 2 cm, glabrous or subglabrous above and beneath, glaucous >>> green. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Flowers axillary, yellow, often tinged or spotted with purplish brown or >>> reddish brown outside; peduncles 0.6 - 4.7 cm long; bracts similar to >>> leaves, generally with 3 - 5 leaflets; pedicels slender, 1.5 - 12 cm long, >>> sparsely pubescent to subglabrous. *Sepals narrow-lanceolate to >>> elliptic, acute to acuminate,* 15 - 25 x 4 - 10 mm, *glabrous to >>> subglabrous outside, pubescent along margins, densely pubescent inside.* >>> Filaments 6 - 10 mm long; anthers 2 - 3 mm long. Styles up to 4 cm long in >>> fruit. >>> >>> *Fl. *July - Sept. >>> >>> *Large woody climbers or scramblers, *up to 8 m long; stems and >>> branches angular, whitish grey or tinged with purplish red, sparsely >>> pilose. Leaves pinnate, up to 7-foliolate or somewhat bipinnate and up to >>> 9-foliolate; petioles 2 - 10 cm long; *leaflets oblong-lanceolate, >>> elliptic or ovate or linear-oblong,* *simple or 2 - 3-lobed or deeply >>> cleft, entire or sometimes trilobed, *oblique, cuneate or rounded at >>> base, *obtuse or subacute at apex,* (1-) 2.5 - 6.5 x 0.5 - 3.5(-5) cm, >>> glabrous or sparsely pilose, greyish green or glaucous; petiolules 5 - 30 >>> mm long, pilose. Inflorescences axillary or terminal, elongated, 3-many- >>> flowered, leafy cymes; peduncles 0.5 - 9.5 cm long; pedicels slender, 0.5 - >>> 5 cm long, curved at apex, pilose, elongating in fruit; bracts oblong, >>> elliptic or ovate, 2 - 20 x 1 - 10 mm, entire, unifoliolate, pinnate or 2 - >>> 3-lobed, shortly petiolate, greyish green; flower buds ovoid, acute, dark >>> red. Flowers 3 - 5 cm across, pale yellow, greenish yellow or >>> cream-coloured, sometimes purplish brown inside, tinged with red-violet >>> outside, often mottled with purple. *Sepals 4, ovate, oblong or >>> elliptic, acute or subacute, *11 - 15 x 4 - 7.5 mm, *spreading, >>> recurved later, silky villous outside or on both surfaces.* Stamens 20 >>> - 40; filaments slender, broad at base, 4 - 8 mm long, yellow or dark >>> purple; anthers 2.5 - 4 mm long. Carpels many, 5 - 11 mm long, ellipsoid or >>> rhomboid; style 4 - 10 mm long, pubescent. Achenes rhomboid, laterally >>> compound, ribbed at margins, 2 - 4 x 1 - 2 mm, dark brown, pubescent with >>> 2.5 - 5 cm long hairy tails. >>> >>> *Fl. & Fr. *July - Sept. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Going by this, I will go for *Clematis ladakhiana *Grey-Wilson. >>> >>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 17:06, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Here are the keys from BSI Flora of India >>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=1429&type=3> >>>> : >>>> b. Inflorescence a panicle of 5 - several flowers; sepals acute or >>>> subacute at apex, pubescent along inner margins *14* >>>> 14a. Leaflets long acuminate; filaments 2 - 3 times as long as anthers >>>> 17. *Clematis ladakhiana >>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4>* >>>> b. Leaflets obtuse or acute; filaments less than 2 times as long as >>>> anthers 22. *Clematis orientalis >>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>* >>>> What should we consider these leaflets: 'long acuminate' or 'obtuse or >>>> acute', in absence of anthers? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 21:09, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK Alka ji ! >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Saroj ji again >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:50:10 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar >>>>>> Kasaju wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Clematis orientalis *L. ! >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 8:59 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This was on the banks of the Pangong tso. >>>>>>>> This looks different from the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>, >>>>>>>> particularly the leaves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "eFloraofIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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