Sepals are acuminate here. I have to check the other one. -- With regards, J. M. Garg
On Tue, 25 Oct, 2022, 12:08 pm Alka Khare, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Mahadeswara ji and Garg ji. > > The hairs on the sepals from this post are different from the ones in the > Clematis > I had posted from Mulbekh > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>, > > I am a bit confused. Are both of them C. ladakhiana? > > Regards > Alka Khare > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 2:05:11 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > >> Pl. see the detailed descriptions from BSI Flora of India: >> >> >> >> *Clematis ladakhiana * >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4> >> Grey-Wilson >> >> *Clematis orientalis * >> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>L. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Shrubs, climbing or straggling;* stems up to 2 - 3 m long, tinged with >> purplish brown, slightly pubescent to glabrous. Leaves pinnate with 5 - 7 >> leaflets or more or less bipinnate; *leaflets narrow-lanceolate, entire >> or with 1 - 2 lobes in the lower part, caudate-acute at apex, *(1.5 -) >> 2.7 - 9 x 0.4 - 2 cm, glabrous or subglabrous above and beneath, glaucous >> green. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Flowers axillary, yellow, often tinged or spotted with purplish brown or >> reddish brown outside; peduncles 0.6 - 4.7 cm long; bracts similar to >> leaves, generally with 3 - 5 leaflets; pedicels slender, 1.5 - 12 cm long, >> sparsely pubescent to subglabrous. *Sepals narrow-lanceolate to >> elliptic, acute to acuminate,* 15 - 25 x 4 - 10 mm, *glabrous to >> subglabrous outside, pubescent along margins, densely pubescent inside.* >> Filaments 6 - 10 mm long; anthers 2 - 3 mm long. Styles up to 4 cm long in >> fruit. >> >> *Fl. *July - Sept. >> >> *Large woody climbers or scramblers, *up to 8 m long; stems and branches >> angular, whitish grey or tinged with purplish red, sparsely pilose. Leaves >> pinnate, up to 7-foliolate or somewhat bipinnate and up to 9-foliolate; >> petioles 2 - 10 cm long; *leaflets oblong-lanceolate, elliptic or ovate >> or linear-oblong,* *simple or 2 - 3-lobed or deeply cleft, entire or >> sometimes trilobed, *oblique, cuneate or rounded at base, *obtuse or >> subacute at apex,* (1-) 2.5 - 6.5 x 0.5 - 3.5(-5) cm, glabrous or >> sparsely pilose, greyish green or glaucous; petiolules 5 - 30 mm long, >> pilose. Inflorescences axillary or terminal, elongated, 3-many- flowered, >> leafy cymes; peduncles 0.5 - 9.5 cm long; pedicels slender, 0.5 - 5 cm >> long, curved at apex, pilose, elongating in fruit; bracts oblong, elliptic >> or ovate, 2 - 20 x 1 - 10 mm, entire, unifoliolate, pinnate or 2 - 3-lobed, >> shortly petiolate, greyish green; flower buds ovoid, acute, dark red. >> Flowers 3 - 5 cm across, pale yellow, greenish yellow or cream-coloured, >> sometimes purplish brown inside, tinged with red-violet outside, often >> mottled with purple. *Sepals 4, ovate, oblong or elliptic, acute or >> subacute, *11 - 15 x 4 - 7.5 mm, *spreading, recurved later, silky >> villous outside or on both surfaces.* Stamens 20 - 40; filaments >> slender, broad at base, 4 - 8 mm long, yellow or dark purple; anthers 2.5 - >> 4 mm long. Carpels many, 5 - 11 mm long, ellipsoid or rhomboid; style 4 - >> 10 mm long, pubescent. Achenes rhomboid, laterally compound, ribbed at >> margins, 2 - 4 x 1 - 2 mm, dark brown, pubescent with 2.5 - 5 cm long hairy >> tails. >> >> *Fl. & Fr. *July - Sept. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Going by this, I will go for *Clematis ladakhiana *Grey-Wilson. >> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 17:06, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here are the keys from BSI Flora of India >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=1429&type=3>: >>> b. Inflorescence a panicle of 5 - several flowers; sepals acute or >>> subacute at apex, pubescent along inner margins *14* >>> 14a. Leaflets long acuminate; filaments 2 - 3 times as long as anthers >>> 17. *Clematis ladakhiana >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2115&type=4>* >>> b. Leaflets obtuse or acute; filaments less than 2 times as long as >>> anthers 22. *Clematis orientalis >>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=2119&type=4>* >>> What should we consider these leaflets: 'long acuminate' or 'obtuse or >>> acute', in absence of anthers? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 21:09, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK Alka ji ! >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Saroj ji again >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Alka Khare >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:50:10 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kumar >>>>> Kasaju wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *Clematis orientalis *L. ! >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 8:59 PM Alka Khare <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello friends >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This was on the banks of the Pangong tso. >>>>>>> This looks different from the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4k_1Jsu0SdM/m/2x0vk0uDCQAJ>, >>>>>>> particularly the leaves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Requested to please ID. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>> Alka Khare >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36be97ac-f6a9-46d5-98c5-bf362ef76d0en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/b2836811-e937-4235-9a19-13066941b89cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/97b685b9-ea80-46f3-b3dc-ed2d0929cae4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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