Based on detailed description and keys, 1st one is S.lanceifolia and 2nd one is S. wallichii.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > > Please have a look at these two images, one each from Suryabinayak, S. > wallichii having > all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from Phulchoki, > S. lanceifolia having > leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. > May I have your opinion please ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> >> Please have a look at these two images, one each from Suryabinayak, S. >> wallichii having >> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from Phulchoki, >> S. lanceifolia having >> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >> May I have your opinion please ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:02 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here are the details: >>> >>> From your book (*S.wallichii*) >>> >>> From your book (*S.lanceifolia*) >>> >>> Large climbing vine reaching sometimes up to the top canopy of the >>> forest, with stout stems. Flowering branches, terete, striate and *sparsely >>> prickly, prickles hooked downwards; *stem cross section round; scales >>> 1.5*1 cm, brown. >>> Leaves shining green; *petioles winged, non clasping, *wings triangular >>> 1-2 mm long, wings narrow in younger leaves; *tendrils arising in pair >>> from the base of the wings; abscission at the base of the tendrils;* >>> >>> leaves shape oblanceolate to lanceolate,* leaf base truncate,* apex >>> acuminate; *nerves 5-7, triplinerved,* two lateral veins jointed upto 3 >>> mm above the leaf base, marginal veins weak. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Inflorescence branched umbel containing 1-3 umbels, sometimes solitary >>> umbel.* *one or more rudimentary umble is always present; *bracts >>> present, almost triangular, 4-5*3-3.5 mm, arising from half of the peduncle >>> where the umbel branches; receptacle reniform; prophylls present, >>> triangular 7*7 mm, tio acuminate; peduncle longer than pedicel; >>> *25-40 flowers per umbel in male, 15-25 flowers per umbel in female. >>> *Staminate >>> flower: flowers bell shaped; perianth 6, dimorphic, arranged in two whorls, >>> outer lanceolate, 9*3 mm, inner linear, 9*1 mm, recurved on blooming; >>> *stamens >>> 6, ca 9 mm long, all equal in size,* filaments 8 mm long, fales union >>> up to 3.5-4 mm from the base, anther lobes white, lanceolate, 1-1.5 mm >>> long. Female flowers: smaller the male, light green, perianth 6, arranged >>> in two whorls, outer whorl of lanceolate, 5.5*2.5 mm, inner whorl of >>> linear, 5*1 mm; staminodes 3, arising from the gap of inner and outer >>> perianth, linear, 3-3.5 mm; *stigma 3, *curved downwards, almost >>> reniform, 1.5*1 mm. *Fruit berry, 4-5 mm diameter, green when unripe, >>> young fruit is always glaucous, red when ripe. * >>> >>> Climbing vine with long, woody, terete stems; scales 2, Outer one >>> covering inner one 7*4 mm; flowering branches elongate, terete or obscurely >>> angular, smooth, sometimes variegated, 2-3 mm across, green. >>> >>> Leaves dark green; *petioles 10-15 mm, bent upward above the middle,* >>> lower petiole winged for 6-8 mm, wings narrow 2-3 mm wide; *tendrils >>> rudimentary in flowering branch, strong and persistent in non-flowering >>> branch;* >>> blades variable in shape and size, broadly oblanceolate to lanceolate, >>> 5-16*2-8 cm, upper surface shining; *base obtuse,* apex acuminate,* >>> trinerved, 3+2 nerved, *sometimes 2 lateral nerves present in large >>> leaves not terminating at the apex veinlets distinct in lower surface. >>> >>> *Inflorescence single umbel,* bracts single, almost triangular, 3*4 mm, >>> obtuse; *15-20 flowers per umbel in male, 10-15 flowers per umbel in >>> female, *receptacle reniform; pedicle always longer than the peduncle. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Staminate flowers light green, perianth 6, arranged in two whorls, inner >>> whorl linear, 5*1 mm, alternating outer whorl lanceolate, 5-6*1.5-2 mm, >>> *stamens >>> 6, dimorphic, longer stamens 6 mm long alternating with short stamens 5 mm,* >>> anther lobes ca 1 mm long white, spathulate, extrose. >>> Pistillate flowers light green; perianth shorter than staminate flower, >>> dimorphic, outer almost triangular 2.5*1 mm, alternating inner almost >>> linear, 2.5*0.5 mm; staminodes 3, pointed apex bifurcate, ca 1 mm long; >>> *stigma >>> 2,* reniform, ca 1 mm long, ovary oval, disc present. *Fruit berry, >>> dark green when immature, ca 2 mm in diameter.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> As per Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027927> >>> >>> Vines climbing. Stem branched, terete, 1--2 m, woody; branchlets >>> occasionally zigzagged. Petiole 1--2(--2.5) cm, narrowly winged for >>> 1/5--1/4 its length; abscission zone at middle; tendrils usually present. >>> Leaf blade lanceolate to ovate-oblong, 6--17 × 2--8 cm. Inflorescence of >>> 1(or 2) umbels, basally prophyllate; peduncle 1--1.5 cm, proximally >>> articulate; umbels of both sexes densely 20--30-flowered, base slightly >>> thickened. Male flowers: tepals yellowish green, 3--4.5 × ca. 1 mm; stamens >>> 3--4 mm. Female flowers: tepals 1.5--2 × ca. 0.6 mm; staminodes 6. Berries >>> yellowish red to black, globose, 6--7 mm in diam. Fl. Sep--Mar, fr. >>> Oct--Nov. >>> >>> All these points of it being *S.lanceilfolia*. >>> >>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, you have already posted it. >>>> I will check. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Saroj ji. >>>>> As per keys, it should be S.lanceifolia. >>>>> I have not found a description of S.wallichii on the net. >>>>> Can you post it here for further examination? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:26, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:40 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I will further examine, with the detailed descriptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>> It says inflorescence single umbel, costate, trinerved for >>>>>>>> *S.lanceifolia* and branched umbel, costate, trinerved or >>>>>>>> triplinerved for *S.wallichii* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. I do not see continuity between these two pages. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:43, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by Keys pages ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But I am not able to relate them s.no. wise. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Same book ! >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these from two different books? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:19, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:33 pm, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:28 pm, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar, 2023, 18:03 Saroj Kasaju, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:37 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is it different from images at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2017/03/03/smilax-lanceifolia/? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 14:08, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Suryavinayak, Bhaktapur, Nepal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02 March 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1364 m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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