But those are not correct as they lead to wrong identification. On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 15:01, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have already sent you keys for all sp. from his book. > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:08 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Saroj ji, >> That means the keys given in the book are not correct to differentiate >> the two. >> Can you get the keys between the two, from him? >> >> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 13:27, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Mr. Sajan Subedi has confirmed this as S. wallichii ! >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:44 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No, it is S.lanceifolia >>>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 21:15, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is Smilax wallichii Kunth ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:16 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Based on detailed description and keys, 1st one is S.lanceifolia and >>>>>> 2nd one is S. wallichii. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from Suryabinayak, >>>>>>> S. wallichii having >>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from >>>>>>>> Suryabinayak, S. wallichii having >>>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:02 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are the details: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.wallichii*) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.lanceifolia*) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Large climbing vine reaching sometimes up to the top canopy of the >>>>>>>>> forest, with stout stems. Flowering branches, terete, striate and >>>>>>>>> *sparsely >>>>>>>>> prickly, prickles hooked downwards; *stem cross section round; >>>>>>>>> scales 1.5*1 cm, brown. >>>>>>>>> Leaves shining green; *petioles winged, non clasping, *wings >>>>>>>>> triangular 1-2 mm long, wings narrow in younger leaves; *tendrils >>>>>>>>> arising in pair from the base of the wings; abscission at the base of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tendrils;* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> leaves shape oblanceolate to lanceolate,* leaf base truncate,* >>>>>>>>> apex acuminate; *nerves 5-7, triplinerved,* two lateral veins >>>>>>>>> jointed upto 3 mm above the leaf base, marginal veins weak. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence branched umbel containing 1-3 umbels, sometimes >>>>>>>>> solitary umbel.* *one or more rudimentary umble is always >>>>>>>>> present; *bracts present, almost triangular, 4-5*3-3.5 mm, >>>>>>>>> arising from half of the peduncle where the umbel branches; >>>>>>>>> receptacle reniform; prophylls present, triangular 7*7 mm, tio >>>>>>>>> acuminate; peduncle longer than pedicel; >>>>>>>>> *25-40 flowers per umbel in male, 15-25 flowers per umbel in >>>>>>>>> female. *Staminate flower: flowers bell shaped; perianth 6, >>>>>>>>> dimorphic, arranged in two whorls, outer lanceolate, 9*3 mm, inner >>>>>>>>> linear, >>>>>>>>> 9*1 mm, recurved on blooming; *stamens 6, ca 9 mm long, all equal >>>>>>>>> in size,* filaments 8 mm long, fales union up to 3.5-4 mm from >>>>>>>>> the base, anther lobes white, lanceolate, 1-1.5 mm long. Female >>>>>>>>> flowers: >>>>>>>>> smaller the male, light green, perianth 6, arranged in two whorls, >>>>>>>>> outer >>>>>>>>> whorl of lanceolate, 5.5*2.5 mm, inner whorl of linear, 5*1 mm; >>>>>>>>> staminodes >>>>>>>>> 3, arising from the gap of inner and outer perianth, linear, 3-3.5 >>>>>>>>> mm; *stigma >>>>>>>>> 3, *curved downwards, almost reniform, 1.5*1 mm. *Fruit berry, >>>>>>>>> 4-5 mm diameter, green when unripe, young fruit is always glaucous, >>>>>>>>> red >>>>>>>>> when ripe. * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Climbing vine with long, woody, terete stems; scales 2, Outer one >>>>>>>>> covering inner one 7*4 mm; flowering branches elongate, terete or >>>>>>>>> obscurely >>>>>>>>> angular, smooth, sometimes variegated, 2-3 mm across, green. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leaves dark green; *petioles 10-15 mm, bent upward above the >>>>>>>>> middle,* lower petiole winged for 6-8 mm, wings narrow 2-3 mm >>>>>>>>> wide; *tendrils rudimentary in flowering branch, strong and >>>>>>>>> persistent in non-flowering branch;* >>>>>>>>> blades variable in shape and size, broadly oblanceolate to >>>>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-16*2-8 cm, upper surface shining; *base obtuse,* >>>>>>>>> apex acuminate,* trinerved, 3+2 nerved, *sometimes 2 lateral >>>>>>>>> nerves present in large leaves not terminating at the apex veinlets >>>>>>>>> distinct in lower surface. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence single umbel,* bracts single, almost triangular, >>>>>>>>> 3*4 mm, obtuse; *15-20 flowers per umbel in male, 10-15 flowers >>>>>>>>> per umbel in female, *receptacle reniform; pedicle always longer >>>>>>>>> than the peduncle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Staminate flowers light green, perianth 6, arranged in two whorls, >>>>>>>>> inner >>>>>>>>> whorl linear, 5*1 mm, alternating outer whorl lanceolate, >>>>>>>>> 5-6*1.5-2 mm, *stamens 6, dimorphic, longer stamens 6 mm long >>>>>>>>> alternating with short stamens 5 mm,* anther lobes ca 1 mm long >>>>>>>>> white, spathulate, extrose. >>>>>>>>> Pistillate flowers light green; perianth shorter than staminate >>>>>>>>> flower, dimorphic, outer almost triangular 2.5*1 mm, alternating inner >>>>>>>>> almost linear, 2.5*0.5 mm; staminodes 3, pointed apex bifurcate, ca 1 >>>>>>>>> mm >>>>>>>>> long; *stigma 2,* reniform, ca 1 mm long, ovary oval, disc >>>>>>>>> present. *Fruit berry, dark green when immature, ca 2 mm in >>>>>>>>> diameter.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per Flora of China >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027927> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vines climbing. Stem branched, terete, 1--2 m, woody; branchlets >>>>>>>>> occasionally zigzagged. Petiole 1--2(--2.5) cm, narrowly winged for >>>>>>>>> 1/5--1/4 its length; abscission zone at middle; tendrils usually >>>>>>>>> present. >>>>>>>>> Leaf blade lanceolate to ovate-oblong, 6--17 × 2--8 cm. Inflorescence >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> 1(or 2) umbels, basally prophyllate; peduncle 1--1.5 cm, proximally >>>>>>>>> articulate; umbels of both sexes densely 20--30-flowered, base >>>>>>>>> slightly >>>>>>>>> thickened. Male flowers: tepals yellowish green, 3--4.5 × ca. 1 mm; >>>>>>>>> stamens >>>>>>>>> 3--4 mm. Female flowers: tepals 1.5--2 × ca. 0.6 mm; staminodes 6. >>>>>>>>> Berries >>>>>>>>> yellowish red to black, globose, 6--7 mm in diam. Fl. Sep--Mar, fr. >>>>>>>>> Oct--Nov. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All these points of it being *S.lanceilfolia*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you have already posted it. >>>>>>>>>> I will check. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>> As per keys, it should be S.lanceifolia. >>>>>>>>>>> I have not found a description of S.wallichii on the net. >>>>>>>>>>> Can you post it here for further examination? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:26, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:40 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will further examine, with the detailed descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It says inflorescence single umbel, costate, trinerved for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S.lanceifolia* and branched umbel, costate, trinerved or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> triplinerved for *S.wallichii* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. I do not see continuity between these two pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:43, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by Keys pages ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am not able to relate them s.no. wise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same book ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these from two different books? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:19, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:33 pm, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:28 pm, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar, 2023, 18:03 Saroj Kasaju, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:37 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is it different from images at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2017/03/03/smilax-lanceifolia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 14:08, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Suryavinayak, Bhaktapur, Nepal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02 March 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1364 m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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