But keys available online as in http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=101&taxon_id=130567
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 18:03, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > > He has suggested to refer to the Flora of taiwan. > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:59 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But those are not correct as they lead to wrong identification. >> >> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 15:01, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have already sent you keys for all sp. from his book. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:08 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Saroj ji, >>>> That means the keys given in the book are not correct to differentiate >>>> the two. >>>> Can you get the keys between the two, from him? >>>> >>>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 13:27, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr. Sajan Subedi has confirmed this as S. wallichii ! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:44 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, it is S.lanceifolia >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 21:15, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is Smilax wallichii Kunth ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:16 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on detailed description and keys, 1st one is S.lanceifolia >>>>>>>> and 2nd one is S. wallichii. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from >>>>>>>>> Suryabinayak, S. wallichii having >>>>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from >>>>>>>>>> Suryabinayak, S. wallichii having >>>>>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:02 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here are the details: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.wallichii*) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.lanceifolia*) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Large climbing vine reaching sometimes up to the top canopy of >>>>>>>>>>> the forest, with stout stems. Flowering branches, terete, striate >>>>>>>>>>> and *sparsely >>>>>>>>>>> prickly, prickles hooked downwards; *stem cross section round; >>>>>>>>>>> scales 1.5*1 cm, brown. >>>>>>>>>>> Leaves shining green; *petioles winged, non clasping, *wings >>>>>>>>>>> triangular 1-2 mm long, wings narrow in younger leaves; *tendrils >>>>>>>>>>> arising in pair from the base of the wings; abscission at the base >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> tendrils;* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> leaves shape oblanceolate to lanceolate,* leaf base truncate,* >>>>>>>>>>> apex acuminate; *nerves 5-7, triplinerved,* two lateral veins >>>>>>>>>>> jointed upto 3 mm above the leaf base, marginal veins weak. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence branched umbel containing 1-3 umbels, sometimes >>>>>>>>>>> solitary umbel.* *one or more rudimentary umble is always >>>>>>>>>>> present; *bracts present, almost triangular, 4-5*3-3.5 mm, >>>>>>>>>>> arising from half of the peduncle where the umbel branches; >>>>>>>>>>> receptacle reniform; prophylls present, triangular 7*7 mm, tio >>>>>>>>>>> acuminate; peduncle longer than pedicel; >>>>>>>>>>> *25-40 flowers per umbel in male, 15-25 flowers per umbel in >>>>>>>>>>> female. *Staminate flower: flowers bell shaped; perianth 6, >>>>>>>>>>> dimorphic, arranged in two whorls, outer lanceolate, 9*3 mm, inner >>>>>>>>>>> linear, >>>>>>>>>>> 9*1 mm, recurved on blooming; *stamens 6, ca 9 mm long, all >>>>>>>>>>> equal in size,* filaments 8 mm long, fales union up to 3.5-4 mm >>>>>>>>>>> from the base, anther lobes white, lanceolate, 1-1.5 mm long. Female >>>>>>>>>>> flowers: smaller the male, light green, perianth 6, arranged in two >>>>>>>>>>> whorls, >>>>>>>>>>> outer whorl of lanceolate, 5.5*2.5 mm, inner whorl of linear, 5*1 >>>>>>>>>>> mm; >>>>>>>>>>> staminodes 3, arising from the gap of inner and outer perianth, >>>>>>>>>>> linear, >>>>>>>>>>> 3-3.5 mm; *stigma 3, *curved downwards, almost reniform, 1.5*1 >>>>>>>>>>> mm. *Fruit berry, 4-5 mm diameter, green when unripe, young >>>>>>>>>>> fruit is always glaucous, red when ripe. * >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Climbing vine with long, woody, terete stems; scales 2, Outer >>>>>>>>>>> one covering inner one 7*4 mm; flowering branches elongate, terete >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> obscurely angular, smooth, sometimes variegated, 2-3 mm across, >>>>>>>>>>> green. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Leaves dark green; *petioles 10-15 mm, bent upward above the >>>>>>>>>>> middle,* lower petiole winged for 6-8 mm, wings narrow 2-3 mm >>>>>>>>>>> wide; *tendrils rudimentary in flowering branch, strong and >>>>>>>>>>> persistent in non-flowering branch;* >>>>>>>>>>> blades variable in shape and size, broadly oblanceolate to >>>>>>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-16*2-8 cm, upper surface shining; *base obtuse,* >>>>>>>>>>> apex acuminate,* trinerved, 3+2 nerved, *sometimes 2 lateral >>>>>>>>>>> nerves present in large leaves not terminating at the apex veinlets >>>>>>>>>>> distinct in lower surface. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence single umbel,* bracts single, almost triangular, >>>>>>>>>>> 3*4 mm, obtuse; *15-20 flowers per umbel in male, 10-15 flowers >>>>>>>>>>> per umbel in female, *receptacle reniform; pedicle always >>>>>>>>>>> longer than the peduncle. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Staminate flowers light green, perianth 6, arranged in two >>>>>>>>>>> whorls, inner whorl linear, 5*1 mm, alternating outer whorl >>>>>>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-6*1.5-2 mm, *stamens 6, dimorphic, longer stamens >>>>>>>>>>> 6 mm long alternating with short stamens 5 mm,* anther lobes ca >>>>>>>>>>> 1 mm long white, spathulate, extrose. >>>>>>>>>>> Pistillate flowers light green; perianth shorter than staminate >>>>>>>>>>> flower, dimorphic, outer almost triangular 2.5*1 mm, alternating >>>>>>>>>>> inner >>>>>>>>>>> almost linear, 2.5*0.5 mm; staminodes 3, pointed apex bifurcate, ca >>>>>>>>>>> 1 mm >>>>>>>>>>> long; *stigma 2,* reniform, ca 1 mm long, ovary oval, disc >>>>>>>>>>> present. *Fruit berry, dark green when immature, ca 2 mm in >>>>>>>>>>> diameter.* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As per Flora of China >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027927> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vines climbing. Stem branched, terete, 1--2 m, woody; branchlets >>>>>>>>>>> occasionally zigzagged. Petiole 1--2(--2.5) cm, narrowly winged for >>>>>>>>>>> 1/5--1/4 its length; abscission zone at middle; tendrils usually >>>>>>>>>>> present. >>>>>>>>>>> Leaf blade lanceolate to ovate-oblong, 6--17 × 2--8 cm. >>>>>>>>>>> Inflorescence of >>>>>>>>>>> 1(or 2) umbels, basally prophyllate; peduncle 1--1.5 cm, proximally >>>>>>>>>>> articulate; umbels of both sexes densely 20--30-flowered, base >>>>>>>>>>> slightly >>>>>>>>>>> thickened. Male flowers: tepals yellowish green, 3--4.5 × ca. 1 mm; >>>>>>>>>>> stamens >>>>>>>>>>> 3--4 mm. Female flowers: tepals 1.5--2 × ca. 0.6 mm; staminodes 6. >>>>>>>>>>> Berries >>>>>>>>>>> yellowish red to black, globose, 6--7 mm in diam. Fl. Sep--Mar, fr. >>>>>>>>>>> Oct--Nov. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All these points of it being *S.lanceilfolia*. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you have already posted it. >>>>>>>>>>>> I will check. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per keys, it should be S.lanceifolia. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not found a description of S.wallichii on the net. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you post it here for further examination? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:26, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:40 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will further examine, with the detailed descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It says inflorescence single umbel, costate, trinerved for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S.lanceifolia* and branched umbel, costate, trinerved or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triplinerved for *S.wallichii* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. I do not see continuity between these two pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:43, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by Keys pages ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am not able to relate them s.no. wise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same book ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these from two different books? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:19, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:33 pm, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:28 pm, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar, 2023, 18:03 Saroj Kasaju, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:37 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is it different from images at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2017/03/03/smilax-lanceifolia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 14:08, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Suryavinayak, Bhaktapur, Nepal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02 March 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1364 m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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