Dear Mr. Garg, He has suggested to refer to the Flora of taiwan. Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:59 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > But those are not correct as they lead to wrong identification. > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 15:01, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have already sent you keys for all sp. from his book. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 3:08 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Saroj ji, >>> That means the keys given in the book are not correct to differentiate >>> the two. >>> Can you get the keys between the two, from him? >>> >>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 13:27, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Sajan Subedi has confirmed this as S. wallichii ! >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:44 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, it is S.lanceifolia >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 21:15, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is Smilax wallichii Kunth ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:16 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Based on detailed description and keys, 1st one is S.lanceifolia and >>>>>>> 2nd one is S. wallichii. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from >>>>>>>> Suryabinayak, S. wallichii having >>>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please have a look at these two images, one each from >>>>>>>>> Suryabinayak, S. wallichii having >>>>>>>>> all leaf venation emerging from the base of the leaf, and from >>>>>>>>> Phulchoki, S. lanceifolia having >>>>>>>>> leaf venation emerging differently from the base of the leaf. >>>>>>>>> May I have your opinion please ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:02 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here are the details: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.wallichii*) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From your book (*S.lanceifolia*) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Large climbing vine reaching sometimes up to the top canopy of >>>>>>>>>> the forest, with stout stems. Flowering branches, terete, striate >>>>>>>>>> and *sparsely >>>>>>>>>> prickly, prickles hooked downwards; *stem cross section round; >>>>>>>>>> scales 1.5*1 cm, brown. >>>>>>>>>> Leaves shining green; *petioles winged, non clasping, *wings >>>>>>>>>> triangular 1-2 mm long, wings narrow in younger leaves; *tendrils >>>>>>>>>> arising in pair from the base of the wings; abscission at the base >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>> tendrils;* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> leaves shape oblanceolate to lanceolate,* leaf base truncate,* >>>>>>>>>> apex acuminate; *nerves 5-7, triplinerved,* two lateral veins >>>>>>>>>> jointed upto 3 mm above the leaf base, marginal veins weak. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence branched umbel containing 1-3 umbels, sometimes >>>>>>>>>> solitary umbel.* *one or more rudimentary umble is always >>>>>>>>>> present; *bracts present, almost triangular, 4-5*3-3.5 mm, >>>>>>>>>> arising from half of the peduncle where the umbel branches; >>>>>>>>>> receptacle reniform; prophylls present, triangular 7*7 mm, tio >>>>>>>>>> acuminate; peduncle longer than pedicel; >>>>>>>>>> *25-40 flowers per umbel in male, 15-25 flowers per umbel in >>>>>>>>>> female. *Staminate flower: flowers bell shaped; perianth 6, >>>>>>>>>> dimorphic, arranged in two whorls, outer lanceolate, 9*3 mm, inner >>>>>>>>>> linear, >>>>>>>>>> 9*1 mm, recurved on blooming; *stamens 6, ca 9 mm long, all >>>>>>>>>> equal in size,* filaments 8 mm long, fales union up to 3.5-4 mm >>>>>>>>>> from the base, anther lobes white, lanceolate, 1-1.5 mm long. Female >>>>>>>>>> flowers: smaller the male, light green, perianth 6, arranged in two >>>>>>>>>> whorls, >>>>>>>>>> outer whorl of lanceolate, 5.5*2.5 mm, inner whorl of linear, 5*1 mm; >>>>>>>>>> staminodes 3, arising from the gap of inner and outer perianth, >>>>>>>>>> linear, >>>>>>>>>> 3-3.5 mm; *stigma 3, *curved downwards, almost reniform, 1.5*1 >>>>>>>>>> mm. *Fruit berry, 4-5 mm diameter, green when unripe, young >>>>>>>>>> fruit is always glaucous, red when ripe. * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Climbing vine with long, woody, terete stems; scales 2, Outer one >>>>>>>>>> covering inner one 7*4 mm; flowering branches elongate, terete or >>>>>>>>>> obscurely >>>>>>>>>> angular, smooth, sometimes variegated, 2-3 mm across, green. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leaves dark green; *petioles 10-15 mm, bent upward above the >>>>>>>>>> middle,* lower petiole winged for 6-8 mm, wings narrow 2-3 mm >>>>>>>>>> wide; *tendrils rudimentary in flowering branch, strong and >>>>>>>>>> persistent in non-flowering branch;* >>>>>>>>>> blades variable in shape and size, broadly oblanceolate to >>>>>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-16*2-8 cm, upper surface shining; *base obtuse,* >>>>>>>>>> apex acuminate,* trinerved, 3+2 nerved, *sometimes 2 lateral >>>>>>>>>> nerves present in large leaves not terminating at the apex veinlets >>>>>>>>>> distinct in lower surface. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence single umbel,* bracts single, almost triangular, >>>>>>>>>> 3*4 mm, obtuse; *15-20 flowers per umbel in male, 10-15 flowers >>>>>>>>>> per umbel in female, *receptacle reniform; pedicle always longer >>>>>>>>>> than the peduncle. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Staminate flowers light green, perianth 6, arranged in two >>>>>>>>>> whorls, inner whorl linear, 5*1 mm, alternating outer whorl >>>>>>>>>> lanceolate, 5-6*1.5-2 mm, *stamens 6, dimorphic, longer stamens >>>>>>>>>> 6 mm long alternating with short stamens 5 mm,* anther lobes ca >>>>>>>>>> 1 mm long white, spathulate, extrose. >>>>>>>>>> Pistillate flowers light green; perianth shorter than staminate >>>>>>>>>> flower, dimorphic, outer almost triangular 2.5*1 mm, alternating >>>>>>>>>> inner >>>>>>>>>> almost linear, 2.5*0.5 mm; staminodes 3, pointed apex bifurcate, ca >>>>>>>>>> 1 mm >>>>>>>>>> long; *stigma 2,* reniform, ca 1 mm long, ovary oval, disc >>>>>>>>>> present. *Fruit berry, dark green when immature, ca 2 mm in >>>>>>>>>> diameter.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As per Flora of China >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027927> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vines climbing. Stem branched, terete, 1--2 m, woody; branchlets >>>>>>>>>> occasionally zigzagged. Petiole 1--2(--2.5) cm, narrowly winged for >>>>>>>>>> 1/5--1/4 its length; abscission zone at middle; tendrils usually >>>>>>>>>> present. >>>>>>>>>> Leaf blade lanceolate to ovate-oblong, 6--17 × 2--8 cm. >>>>>>>>>> Inflorescence of >>>>>>>>>> 1(or 2) umbels, basally prophyllate; peduncle 1--1.5 cm, proximally >>>>>>>>>> articulate; umbels of both sexes densely 20--30-flowered, base >>>>>>>>>> slightly >>>>>>>>>> thickened. Male flowers: tepals yellowish green, 3--4.5 × ca. 1 mm; >>>>>>>>>> stamens >>>>>>>>>> 3--4 mm. Female flowers: tepals 1.5--2 × ca. 0.6 mm; staminodes 6. >>>>>>>>>> Berries >>>>>>>>>> yellowish red to black, globose, 6--7 mm in diam. Fl. Sep--Mar, fr. >>>>>>>>>> Oct--Nov. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All these points of it being *S.lanceilfolia*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you have already posted it. >>>>>>>>>>> I will check. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 16:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>> As per keys, it should be S.lanceifolia. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have not found a description of S.wallichii on the net. >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you post it here for further examination? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:26, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:40 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will further examine, with the detailed descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It says inflorescence single umbel, costate, trinerved for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S.lanceifolia* and branched umbel, costate, trinerved or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> triplinerved for *S.wallichii* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:45, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe yes. I do not see continuity between these two pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:43, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by Keys pages ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:36 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am not able to relate them s.no. wise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 12:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same book ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:24 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these from two different books? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:19, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:33 pm, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 12:28 pm, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar, 2023, 18:03 Saroj Kasaju, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 5:37 PM J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is it different from images at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2017/03/03/smilax-lanceifolia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 14:08, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Suryavinayak, Bhaktapur, Nepal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02 March 2023 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1364 m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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