Good work, Nadeem ji, I have kept observations of both (due to difficulty in segregating them as well as Catalogue of life treats both as same <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/470009e504506d3b76ca92312645a1c1/synonym/ff4c3050eab4ace918c2cde0ad7416b6>) at https://efloraofindia.com/2013/01/24/ardisia-elliptica/
On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 15:47, nadeem waqif <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear All, > > Kindly note that the photographs were sent to me, i havent myself seen the > live plant. Im assisting a young man who is making a native plant nursery > to replant local species on the hill near his village in Madanapalle > District, Andhra Pradesh. For some unknown reason, he is unwilling to > directly engage with efloraofindia, tho i have showed how easy it is > multiple number of times. > > i have asked him to send me better pictures with better detail and more > information on the dimensions when he is able to visit the location again > with the purpose of collecting fruit and seeds for his nursery. > > Im sorry that i cant help much in this endeavor to clarify Ardisia > solanacea and A. elliptica at this point. > > May i request Mr/Dr. Paradesi Anjaneyulu to upload pictures of the two > specimens he has access to? The efloraofindia database doesnt have any > pictures expressly of A. solanacea and that gap could be thus filled. > > best regards > > nadeem waqif > > On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 15:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> eFlora of China says: >> *Ardisia solanacea >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807>* >> Roxburgh >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807>: leaf >> blade elliptic or oblanceolate, *12-20 × 4-7 cm, papery, *conspicuously >> black punctate and punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently punctate >> adaxially, base cuneate or narrowly decurrent on petiole, margin >> subrevolute, entire, apex acute; lateral veins ca. 20 on each side of >> midrib, raised on both surfaces, *marginal vein absent.* >> *Ardisia elliptica >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072>* >> Thunberg >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072>: leaf >> blade oblanceolate or obovate, *6-12(-16) × 3-5(-7) cm, subleathery,* >> dull and densely punctate abaxially, especially along margin, base cuneate, >> margin revolute, entire, apex obtuse or acute; lateral veins 12-34 on each >> side of midrib,* marginal vein present* >> >> But it is really difficult to judge the size of leaves from a photograph. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 22:30, Paradesi Anjaneyulu < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Very simple Garg Ji >>> In the vegetative condition itself, we will identify both, >>> Leaves up to 30 cm long matured ones, young leaves it self more than 10 >>> cm, thick, broadly oblong-ovate....A solanacea >>> Leaves up to 10 cm long mature ones, young 2-3cm, thin, ovate ......A >>> elliptica. >>> >>> When comparing both sp, Ardisia solanacea is double plant body then A >>> elliptica entirely. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 10 May 2023 at 13:17, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Paradesi ji, >>>> May I request you to let us know the differences between the two? >>>> >>>> On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 12:58, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Flora of China gives the following keys: >>>>> 38 (35) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-35> >>>>> Petiole >>>>> *canaliculate*; flowers in* corymbs or racemes*. (39) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-39> >>>>> + Petiole *marginate*; flowers in *umbels*. (40) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-40> >>>>> >>>>> 39 (38) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-38> >>>>> Leaf >>>>> blade elliptic or oblanceolate, conspicuously black punctate-lineate >>>>> abaxially, not prominently black punctate adaxially 10 Ardisia >>>>> solanacea >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807> >>>>> + Leaf blade linear or narrowly lanceolate, black punctate abaxially, >>>>> prominently black punctate adaxially 11 Ardisia filiformis >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016768> >>>>> >>>>> 40 (38) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-38> >>>>> Sepals >>>>> rugose basally; leaf blade margin revolute 7 Ardisia elliptica >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072> >>>>> + Sepals smooth or verruculose basally; leaf blade margin flat. (41) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-41> >>>>> From the above, it appears both are really close. >>>>> Flowers neither appear to be corymbs or raceme nor in umbel. >>>>> How to decide? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 13:08, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Paradesi Ji . Only GBIF says it is the syn. Other links says >>>>>> differently. >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 9:14 PM Paradesi Anjaneyulu < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No Saroj Ji >>>>>>> Both are accepted names, there is a huge difference between two ; >>>>>>> both species currently with me in live. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 20:13, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, it is the syn ! >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 7:05 PM Kumar Prabhat Das < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ardisia solanacea >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Apr, 2023, 6:03 pm Paradesi Anjaneyulu, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ardisia solanacea >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 16:09, nadeem waqif < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> my bad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 16:05, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IT is Ok, however please verify the ID. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also keep efi and Mr. Garg in loop while replying . >>>>>>>>>>>> Select"reply all". >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nadeem waqif <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 4:18 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:446160] Tree For ID - Horsely >>>>>>>>>>>> Hills, Andhra Pradesh - NW-2023-APR01 >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Sir. Wasn't expecting such a prompt reply! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 15:05, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ardisia elliptica *Thunb. ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 3:13 PM nadeem waqif < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly identify this medium sized tree with pink flowers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> photographed in Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh in April 2023. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leaves about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 to 15 cm in length. 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