Understood Nadeem Ji, I will update soon with full details. On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 16:46, nadeem waqif <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anjaneyulu Garu, I am just an amateur gardener interested in native > species, for reforestry and landscaping, actually more interested in the > biology and ecology of plants. efloraofindia is very useful in identifying > new plants i come across tho the identify is just the starting point of any > understanding. Taxonomical details are not that important for me, > personally. But it is very important for efloraofindia that every record is > properly classified. I thought that the above debate about the difference > between A. elliptica and A. solanacea could be clarified by you since you > mentioned that you have access to both and hence, i suggested that you > enlighten efloraofindia with a proper photographic documentation. As > efloraofindia is based on voluntary contribution, Gargji did not ask you > directly and i, perhaps rudely, went above my station with my request. > > i can provide my personal details, but i dont see how they are relevant > here. > > best regards. > > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 05:47, Paradesi Anjaneyulu < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I will share Nadeem JI >> I have two species access. >> >> If possible Can I know the person details please >> Name and number. >> >> On Sun, May 21, 2023, 15:28 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good work, Nadeem ji, >>> I have kept observations of both (due to difficulty in segregating them >>> as well as Catalogue of life treats both as same >>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/470009e504506d3b76ca92312645a1c1/synonym/ff4c3050eab4ace918c2cde0ad7416b6>) >>> at >>> https://efloraofindia.com/2013/01/24/ardisia-elliptica/ >>> >>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 15:47, nadeem waqif <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Kindly note that the photographs were sent to me, i havent myself seen >>>> the live plant. Im assisting a young man who is making a native plant >>>> nursery to replant local species on the hill near his village in >>>> Madanapalle District, Andhra Pradesh. For some unknown reason, he is >>>> unwilling to directly engage with efloraofindia, tho i have showed how easy >>>> it is multiple number of times. >>>> >>>> i have asked him to send me better pictures with better detail and more >>>> information on the dimensions when he is able to visit the location again >>>> with the purpose of collecting fruit and seeds for his nursery. >>>> >>>> Im sorry that i cant help much in this endeavor to clarify Ardisia >>>> solanacea and A. elliptica at this point. >>>> >>>> May i request Mr/Dr. Paradesi Anjaneyulu to upload pictures of the two >>>> specimens he has access to? The efloraofindia database doesnt have any >>>> pictures expressly of A. solanacea and that gap could be thus filled. >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> >>>> nadeem waqif >>>> >>>> On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 15:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> eFlora of China says: >>>>> *Ardisia solanacea >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807>* >>>>> Roxburgh >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807> >>>>> : leaf blade elliptic or oblanceolate, *12-20 × 4-7 cm, papery, >>>>> *conspicuously >>>>> black punctate and punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently punctate >>>>> adaxially, base cuneate or narrowly decurrent on petiole, margin >>>>> subrevolute, entire, apex acute; lateral veins ca. 20 on each side of >>>>> midrib, raised on both surfaces, *marginal vein absent.* >>>>> *Ardisia elliptica >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072>* >>>>> Thunberg >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072> >>>>> : leaf blade oblanceolate or obovate, *6-12(-16) × 3-5(-7) cm, >>>>> subleathery,* dull and densely punctate abaxially, especially along >>>>> margin, base cuneate, margin revolute, entire, apex obtuse or acute; >>>>> lateral veins 12-34 on each side of midrib,* marginal vein present* >>>>> >>>>> But it is really difficult to judge the size of leaves from a >>>>> photograph. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 22:30, Paradesi Anjaneyulu < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Very simple Garg Ji >>>>>> In the vegetative condition itself, we will identify both, >>>>>> Leaves up to 30 cm long matured ones, young leaves it self more than >>>>>> 10 cm, thick, broadly oblong-ovate....A solanacea >>>>>> Leaves up to 10 cm long mature ones, young 2-3cm, thin, ovate ......A >>>>>> elliptica. >>>>>> >>>>>> When comparing both sp, Ardisia solanacea is double plant body then >>>>>> A elliptica entirely. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 10 May 2023 at 13:17, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Paradesi ji, >>>>>>> May I request you to let us know the differences between the two? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 12:58, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Flora of China gives the following keys: >>>>>>>> 38 (35) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-35> >>>>>>>> Petiole >>>>>>>> *canaliculate*; flowers in* corymbs or racemes*. (39) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-39> >>>>>>>> + Petiole *marginate*; flowers in *umbels*. (40) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-40> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 39 (38) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-38> >>>>>>>> Leaf >>>>>>>> blade elliptic or oblanceolate, conspicuously black punctate-lineate >>>>>>>> abaxially, not prominently black punctate adaxially 10 Ardisia >>>>>>>> solanacea >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016807> >>>>>>>> + Leaf blade linear or narrowly lanceolate, black punctate >>>>>>>> abaxially, prominently black punctate adaxially 11 Ardisia >>>>>>>> filiformis >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200016768> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 40 (38) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-38> >>>>>>>> Sepals >>>>>>>> rugose basally; leaf blade margin revolute 7 Ardisia elliptica >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=210000072> >>>>>>>> + Sepals smooth or verruculose basally; leaf blade margin flat. >>>>>>>> (41) >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=102511#KEY-1-41> >>>>>>>> From the above, it appears both are really close. >>>>>>>> Flowers neither appear to be corymbs or raceme nor in umbel. >>>>>>>> How to decide? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 13:08, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Paradesi Ji . Only GBIF says it is the syn. Other links says >>>>>>>>> differently. >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 9:14 PM Paradesi Anjaneyulu < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No Saroj Ji >>>>>>>>>> Both are accepted names, there is a huge difference between two ; >>>>>>>>>> both species currently with me in live. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 20:13, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is the syn ! >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 7:05 PM Kumar Prabhat Das < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ardisia solanacea >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Apr, 2023, 6:03 pm Paradesi Anjaneyulu, < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ardisia solanacea >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 16:09, nadeem waqif < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my bad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 16:05, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT is Ok, however please verify the ID. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also keep efi and Mr. Garg in loop while replying . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Select"reply all". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nadeem waqif <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 4:18 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:446160] Tree For ID - Horsely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hills, Andhra Pradesh - NW-2023-APR01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Sir. Wasn't expecting such a prompt reply! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 at 15:05, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ardisia elliptica *Thunb. ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 3:13 PM nadeem waqif < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly identify this medium sized tree with pink flowers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photographed in Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh in April 2023. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leaves about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 to 15 cm in length. 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