Dear Saroj ji, Thanks for the clarification At least I can say with confidence that this is the first posting on EFI This to me is rather surprising as EFI has many posters from Srinagar including Gurcharan ji who has done a huge amount of work in collecting and recording the flora of the valley. Regards Taffazull
On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 4:53:21 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kasaju wrote: > Different databases and books give different elevation ranges. So, I guess > we have to consider the lowest and highest as the possibilities. > BSI book : Plants of Indian Himalayan Region, BSI says : > > Artemisia tournefortiana Rchb., Iconogr. Bot. Exot. 1: 6. Pl. 5. 1824. > Distribution: Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir; upto 3900 m. > > That means the range should be sea level to 3900m. But I have no idea of > its recordings. > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 4:34 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Saroj ji, >> I am a bit confused. >> In your screen shot Distribution (copy pasted below) is given as between >> 2500-4000m: >> >> *Distrib*. IndIa: W. Himalayas. on sandy soil between 2500-4000m. Jammu & >> Kashmir and HimachaI Pradesh, >> >> .Pakistan . W. Tibet. Afghanistan and C. Asia. >> >> Does it mean that in India it has not been reported below 2500m.? >> >> To my mind that is the implication. >> >> Regards >> >> Taffazull >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 9:31:04 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Saroj ji, >>> Thanks for the references and guidance >>> All I was curious about was to know if it has been reported from >>> Srinagar or other lowlands of the valley before or is it the first record. >>> Perhaps Gurcharan ji could enlighten us in this regard. >>> Sincere regards >>> Taffazull >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 12:48:02 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kasaju wrote: >>> >>>> Plants of Indian Himalayan Region, BSI >>>> >>>> Artemisia tournefortiana Rchb., Iconogr. Bot. Exot. 1: 6. Pl. 5. 1824. >>>> Distribution: Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir; upto 3900 m. >>>> >>>> That means the highest elevation is 3900m., lower elevation can be any. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx%3Fflora_id%3D2%26taxon_id%3D200023358&ved=2ahUKEwjvmtGmjJKIAxVXR2wGHbMJNDsQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw051MBiliKtJ0I8Mx25qQgC >>>> >>>> Screenshot from Flora of India Vol. 12 >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 11:15 PM [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seems to be close but Leh is 3500 m asl but Srinagar (Rawathpora) is >>>>> just about 1600 m asl. >>>>> I think my post would be the first record from this height. >>>>> Surprising that local botanists have missed this not uncommon herb. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Taffazull >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 10:12:11 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kasaju >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please cross verify with the image from Flora of Ladakh. >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2024 at 6:59 PM [email protected] < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A possibility that comes to my mind is that it might be an invasive >>>>>>> alien species that has not yet got noticed by local botanists. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>> It is interesting that such a common weed seems to have gone >>>>>>>> unnoticed in Srinagar. >>>>>>>> I have too little knowledge of taxonomy but would request the >>>>>>>> opinion of Gurcharan ji as he or his contacts in Botany Dept of >>>>>>>> Kashmir >>>>>>>> University must surely have studied this common herb. >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:04:26 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji. >>>>>>>>> So what do you think finally w.r.t. it's Id? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 at 16:07, [email protected] < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With time the stipules? have become divided and look like tiny >>>>>>>>>> leaves. >>>>>>>>>> See Photo taken on August 15 >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 3:52:14 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please see other possibilities, altitude seems lower for this >>>>>>>>>>> species (2500 to 4000 m)- from Singh ji >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pointing out. >>>>>>>>>>> I have identified it because it was so identified by Kasuju ji >>>>>>>>>>> and Miroslav ji in my previous post link copied below >>>>>>>>>>> Kindly help ID this Asteraceae member from Srinagar (google.com) >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Y8RcfEMLQHM/m/y_cWatuLAwAJ> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> You can see the details of flowers and inflorescence and leaves >>>>>>>>>>> etc on that post >>>>>>>>>>> I know too little taxonomy to comment on the same but if it is >>>>>>>>>>> something else it would be very interesting. >>>>>>>>>>> If it is *tournefortiana *it would still be interesting >>>>>>>>>>> because of its being reported from a lower altitude than where it >>>>>>>>>>> normally >>>>>>>>>>> grows. >>>>>>>>>>> I reposted a new photo because at that time Tabish ji had >>>>>>>>>>> requested a better photo but at that time I did not have any. >>>>>>>>>>> Again thanks for your very interesting observation. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> I noticed three pairs of linear 2mm long stipule-like structures >>>>>>>>>>> on the bases of the petioles arising from the adaxial side ( See >>>>>>>>>>> Photo). >>>>>>>>>>> One of them seems to be further divided into two. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would request opinion of experts to confirm if they are stipules >>>>>>>>>>> and would they be helpful in confirming its ID as >>>>>>>>>>> *A.tournefortiana* - from Taffazul ji >>>>>>>>>>> The illustration in Flora of China does not show the stipule >>>>>>>>>>> like structures, >>>>>>>>>>> Illustration: Artemisia tournefortiana (efloras.org) >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120521&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>>> Could it be some other species as suggested by Gurcharan ji? >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> Photo of a leaf showing stipule like structures at base of >>>>>>>>>>> petiole not seen in FOC illustration >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check keys in BSI Flora of India >>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=4526&type=3> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also see descriptions in FBI >>>>>>>>>>> <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/artemisia-tournefortiana-rchb-1> >>>>>>>>>>> and BSI Flora of India >>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/taxonList.action?id=5066&type=4> >>>>>>>>>>> (description >>>>>>>>>>> seems to be sketchy and very few details)- from me. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for info >>>>>>>>>>> BSI mentions stem as white to dull purple but here it is light >>>>>>>>>>> green with dark green streaks (see Photo).It also gives the >>>>>>>>>>> altitude as >>>>>>>>>>> 2500-4000m (Srinagar alt is 1600meters asl) as was also pointed out >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> Gurcharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Makes no mention of tiny stipule like structures at base of >>>>>>>>>>> petiole. >>>>>>>>>>> Will try to post photos of phyllaries when it flowers. >>>>>>>>>>> Request opinion of experts >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 at 18:22 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:466447] Artemisia tournefortiana From >>>>>>>>>>> Srinagar >>>>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>> Am posting three photos of* Artemesia tournefortiana* Rchb.; 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