Seems it has already been checked...not that I understand anything on link below. Well above my pay grade!
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-022-08397-9 On Saturday 19 October 2024 at 15:56:10 UTC+1 PlantaholicSheila wrote: > I am reposting these pics again....now fully labelled as Ilex delaveyi in > the hope others may find then on www in the future. > > I cannot doubt RHS, but still wonder what makes this ILEX as opposed to > say a Euonymus with alternate leaves. > What actually makes ILEX Ilex? > The berry is like no other Holly I know. > I wonder if DNA testing were to be done on it, might it even be renamed > as a new genus ..who knows! > > On Saturday 19 October 2024 at 07:21:59 UTC+1 Saroj Kasaju wrote: > >> I found it very interesting. This has got distribution in Nepal at 3000m, >> but >> eflora China gave its range at 2000-3700m. >> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242326219 >> Surprisingly there is not a single picture in the Net except for one >> herbarium image. >> Enclosing the link for more herbarium images: >> https://www.gbif.org/species/7316005 >> By the way, full credit goes to Mr. Garg for hinting the genus. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 10:46 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Sheila ji. >>> I was the 1st who suggested Ilex initially. >>> I am happy that it is resolved now by you. >>> >>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 at 00:38, 'PlantaholicSheila' via eFloraofIndia < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Many thanks Saroj Kasaju for interesting link. >>>> Leaves and flowers look exactly like my pics. >>>> I am thrilled to have taken pics of the berries from white to ripe and >>>> red. >>>> Hardly any pics on www of Ilex delaveyi. >>>> Maybe one day it will be propagated for gardeners/plant lovers to grow. >>>> Kind wishes from bonnie Scotland. UK. >>>> >>>> On Friday 18 October 2024 at 19:10:55 UTC+1 Saroj Kasaju wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is great news. https://ppbc.iplant.cn/sp/21617 >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 11:34 PM 'PlantaholicSheila' via eFloraofIndia >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mystery solved! >>>>>> After all this time I now know this is Ilex delaveyi. >>>>>> The RHS came up trumps with very full answer. >>>>>> Cannot copy and paste full reply so have added a photo of their most >>>>>> helpful message. >>>>>> [image: ILEX DELAVEYI 18-10-2024 18-25-12.JPG] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday 8 September 2024 at 17:17:15 UTC+1 J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Sheila ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Sept 2024 at 17:57, 'PlantaholicSheila' via eFloraofIndia < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for looking. >>>>>>>> Yes Ilex is a possibility as it has tiny flowers with 4 petals. >>>>>>>> However, I have never seen any Holly where the berries that start >>>>>>>> white, then go blush pink and finally red. >>>>>>>> Not any Ilex with berries that are not round. >>>>>>>> Below are the latest and last pics I took on 22nd August. >>>>>>>> Very few berries remained. >>>>>>>> The shrub was again flowering. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday 8 September 2024 at 13:14:15 UTC+1 navendu page wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps it could be a species of Ilex! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sept 2024 at 20:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 7 Sept 2024 at 20:39 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:467885] Mystery shrub seen in >>>>>>>>>> Scotland >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 at 15:37 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:467885] Mystery shrub seen in >>>>>>>>>> Scotland >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> Acronychia. ?? >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> Sir, Many thanks for looking and your suggestion of Acronychia. >>>>>>>>>> This a new plant for me so have tried to do my research. >>>>>>>>>> Sadly I do not think it is a match. >>>>>>>>>> Acronychia leaves are opposite. Mystery shrub has alternate >>>>>>>>>> leaves .... see image below. >>>>>>>>>> Acronychia the flowers are bisexual, with four sepals, four >>>>>>>>>> petals and eight stamens. >>>>>>>>>> Mystery plant only has 4 stamen. >>>>>>>>>> I think there may be 2 shrubs one was female, the 2nd next to it >>>>>>>>>> sadly the flowers were over brown and wilted...maybe the male. >>>>>>>>>> Acronychia seeds are black. mystery plant seeds were white...see >>>>>>>>>> image below >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronychia - from Sheila ji >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sheila ji. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pl. try Gaultheria and Gymnosporia- from me >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for looking sir and for your two suggestions. >>>>>>>>>> I do not think that it can be Gaultheria...as I do not believe >>>>>>>>>> that the flowers are right for Ericaceae. >>>>>>>>>> Quote wiki.... >>>>>>>>>> *"Gaultheria* is a genus of about 283 species of shrubs >>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub> in the family Ericaceae >>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericaceae>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will check out Gymnosporia - from Sheila ji >>>>>>>>>> Pl. try Ilex like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A.aquif-flor_fem._-_7.jpg- >>>>>>>>>> from me >>>>>>>>>> I have added 2 more pics to show the seed capsule. >>>>>>>>>> I have never seen any Ilex sp...common name Holly with berries in >>>>>>>>>> 4 parts. >>>>>>>>>> Flowers are nothing like the Ilex aquifolium link you added. >>>>>>>>>> Sorry. >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for looking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sheila >>>>>>>>>> https://www.gbif.org/species/5414222 >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the images of Ilex aquilifolium...a very common >>>>>>>>>> tree in UK. >>>>>>>>>> I know it well. >>>>>>>>>> Nothing is a match..not the flowers, leaves or berries. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The seed capsules are very very different to most plants they are >>>>>>>>>> not round but are in 4 segments. Rather like Euonymus. - from >>>>>>>>>> Sheila ji >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 at 15:32 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:467885] Mystery shrub seen in >>>>>>>>>> Scotland >>>>>>>>>> To: itpmods <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any idea about the family or genus? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: 'PlantaholicSheila' via eFloraofIndia < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 at 14:13 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:467885] Mystery shrub seen in Scotland >>>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Glendoick gardens near Perth and Dundee, Scotland. are only open >>>>>>>>>> in April and May to the public. >>>>>>>>>> The garden is the home of the COX family. 3 x generations of >>>>>>>>>> plant hunters. >>>>>>>>>> They specialise in Rhododendrons but have other unusual shrubs. >>>>>>>>>> Now owned by Kenneth Cox, who runs the busy garden centre. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I first noticed this shrub on 11th April 2024. >>>>>>>>>> 2 shrubs together. >>>>>>>>>> Appeared to be evergreen. >>>>>>>>>> One with tiny 4 petal flowers, one with brown bits...female and >>>>>>>>>> male on sepperate bushes? >>>>>>>>>> At first I thought it was Euonymus...but leaves are alternate. >>>>>>>>>> I have since popped back a few times to add more images. >>>>>>>>>> It formed white berries...not round. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please does any one here recognise it. >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks as always for your expert help. >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> Sheila. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2ae46a03-28fb-4b5b-ac69-e82abd9b9ac6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2ae46a03-28fb-4b5b-ac69-e82abd9b9ac6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Navendu Page, PhD >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scientist >>>>>>>>> Thackeray Wildlife Foundation >>>>>>>>> Ph: +91 9611053510 <+91%2096110%2053510> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/de4e83a6-4dc5-4b62-81de-f2ab468fb51dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/de4e83a6-4dc5-4b62-81de-f2ab468fb51dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a456991b-573f-40f5-9343-45e7307e7c06n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a456991b-573f-40f5-9343-45e7307e7c06n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/db48222e-a7dc-4519-bd1f-72c26172dc6dn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/db48222e-a7dc-4519-bd1f-72c26172dc6dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCOrwGC2AU_OSTh%2BxPRDKqv0FsBmBw3eSaAR0MJC59DZw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCOrwGC2AU_OSTh%2BxPRDKqv0FsBmBw3eSaAR0MJC59DZw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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