Dear members,
Could it be Anchusa ovata with white instead of blue flowers
The fruit and seeds show a striking resemblance 
Would request opinion of some expert on this family
Am posting photo of Anchusa ovata seeds from Crop Protection Online (Crop 
Protection Online > Pests - Weed biology<br> <sub>Agro-region: 
Denmark</sub> - Anchusa arvensis 
<https://plantevaernonline.dlbr.dk/cp/graphics/Name.asp?Language=en-la&TaskID=1&NameID=27>)reproduction
 
allowed with reference to source
Regards
Taffazull

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 4:26:11 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] wrote:

> Update on *Apononea baghatensis  *Syed:
> The seedlings which had sprouted from self sown seeds thrived till May but 
> as the temperature rose above 20-25 degrees Celsius the plants started to 
> die and now all the leaves have withered though the stems are still 
> somewhat green (see photo). I think this explains why there are no other 
> wild plants of this species here. This is a plant of cold climate( could be 
> alpine) and the plant I reported in DEC 2022 could have survived 
> fortuitously because of the seed falling in a shady corner and a cooler 
> summer. This is perhaps why it has never before been reported from Srinagar.
> Regards
> Taffazull
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 4:26:46 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> A correction
>> The description should read* "horizontal transversally oval"* rather 
>> than "horizontal transversally oblong"
>>
>> On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 12:43:35 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Close up photo (Mag X15) of nutlets of *Apononea baghatensis*. Syed. 
>>> Photo taken on 19 June 2024. Nutlets are glabrous, horizontal, 
>>> transversally oblong with lateral beak . Thick basal ring  .Basal ring is 
>>> not dentate (teeth are absent). Small squares of graph paper are 1 square 
>>> millimeter.  
>>> For comparison I used pictures of nutlets of different *Nonea* species 
>>> of Iran given in the publication:
>>>  Pakravan, M., Nejhad Falatoury, A. & Tavassoli, A. 2009 06 30: 
>>> *Morphological 
>>> and micromorphological studies of Nonea (Boraginaceae: tribe Boragineae) in 
>>> Iran*. -  Iran. J. Bot. *15 *(1): 129-139. Tehran.
>>> The shape of nutlets resembles that of many *Nonea* species whose 
>>> photos are given in the above mentioned publication.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 7:38:16 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Photo of new plants of *Apononea baghatensis* Syed growing from seeds 
>>>> self sown  in the planter in which I had transferred the plant I found 
>>>> growing in a field in Rawathpora Baghat in 2021. I have named the genus 
>>>> *Apononea 
>>>> *because it closely resembles the genus *Nonea *in seed morphology and 
>>>> habit but differs in having the calyx divided to the base while in the 
>>>> genus *Nonea *it is never divided to the base. I have named the 
>>>> species *baghatensis *because it was found growing in a field in 
>>>> Baghat. Since then I have confirmed that it is a biennial. The seedlings 
>>>> in 
>>>> the photo will come into full bloom in March/April next year and then die.
>>>> I found a single plant growing in the field and since then I have not 
>>>> come across another plant so it a rather uncommon weed. However luckily 
>>>> due 
>>>> to its tendency to self sow  the plants still thrive in my planter.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Taffazull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:49:52 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Update:
>>>>> Photo of germinating seed taken today 18th July 2023. Radicle comes 
>>>>> out  from the pointed end of the nutlet away from the areola.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:39:53 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Update on *Apononea baghatensis  **(**Apononea baghatensis  *Syed is 
>>>>>> the name that I propose for this plant as till date none of the members 
>>>>>> have suggested an appropriate ID for the plant. Would request members to 
>>>>>> suggest a correction if needed.*)*
>>>>>> Photo of new seedlings from seeds that had fallen in the planter in 
>>>>>> April  is attached . The plant is a biennial. These seedlings will grow 
>>>>>> into new plants and these will flower in March-April next year and then 
>>>>>> die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:33:16 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An update  :
>>>>>>> The plant which was in full bloom in March has finally died in May.
>>>>>>> This shows that it is a biennial.
>>>>>>> Photo taken on 18th May is attached
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:57:54 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 at 11:46, [email protected] <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two updates:
>>>>>>>>> 1.Photo of Plant in planter in full bloom. Photo dated 20th of 
>>>>>>>>> March
>>>>>>>>> 2,Photo showing inflorescence racemose in fruit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:37:19 AM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 at 19:21, [email protected] <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Updates on *Apononea baghatii  *:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo1: Plant transferred to planter is doing well showing it is 
>>>>>>>>>>> a perennial. Note flowers in terminal inflorescences at the ends of 
>>>>>>>>>>> short 
>>>>>>>>>>> lateral branches. These were probably present when it was 
>>>>>>>>>>> transferred to 
>>>>>>>>>>> planter last year and have now developed  with the advent of Spring.
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 2: A single flower
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 3 :Faucal appendages above the throat and neither 
>>>>>>>>>>> fimbriated nor velvety. This is another difference from *Nonea*
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 4:Corolla tube cut to show lower very hairy part of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> faucal appendages
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 5: Calyx removed to show geniculated corolla tube. The  
>>>>>>>>>>> brownish yellow anthers can be seen just above the bend in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> corolla tube.
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 7: Anthers inserted in the Corolla tube just above the 
>>>>>>>>>>> bend in the tube
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 8:Anthers.Filaments are very short and attachment is sub 
>>>>>>>>>>> basal.
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo9: Ovary with gynobasic style and bifid stigma. Outlines of 
>>>>>>>>>>> four ovules are distinctly visible
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:25:03 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jan, 2023, 1:01 pm [email protected], <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Three more photos:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo 1 shows leaf with small(1mm or less) adpressed hairs and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Large(>1mm) erect hairs. These hairs are present on both stems 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and leaves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo2 shows the swollen base of a small adpressed hair at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> X150 magnification
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo3 shows the swollen base of a large erect hair at X150 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnification
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This shows that both adpressed and erect hairs have swollen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bases when seen  under a microscope. However to the unaided eye 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it appears 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that only the larger hairs have swollen bases as mentioned by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some authors 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while describing the genus *Nonea.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:01:49 PM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A correction:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Length of nutlet is 3 mm and not 4 mm as is clear from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo. So nutlet is 3 mm long and 2mm high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 1:42:40 PM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Details of nutlets.*Nutlets 4, yellowish brown, 4mm long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 2mm high,  beaked, rugose, convex above, ridges prominent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubercles between the ridges, attachment subventral ,areola of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thick 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prominent collar 0.4-0.5mm high, margin entire without 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denticulations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 1 Nutlets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO2  Nutlet side view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 3 Nutlet from above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 4 Nutlet from below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 5 Sketch of a nutlet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 6 Attachment of nutlet to ovary wall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 7 Attachment of nutlet to ovary wall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PHOTO 8 Nutlets in fruit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 1:42:59 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 at 20:38, [email protected] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks  for appreciation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would like to put on record that in near future I would be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitting a paper to Kew Bulletin " *Apononea bagathii  *a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new genus of Boraginaceae from Kashmir Valley" regarding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already placed some information for discussion among  our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group members as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am  convinced that it is a new, so far unreported genus of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the family. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be grateful for a plausible, evidence based contrary 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:37:02 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji, for so many details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 20:14, [email protected] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Details of corolla:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corolla  4.5mm  ,.white, infundibuliform. lobes 5, about 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-1.5mm long , broad , obtuse and crenulate.  corolla tube 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3mm long with a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinuous bend  at bottom, Very delicately attached and tends 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fall off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily {See photo)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Details of androecium:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stamens 5 ,epipetalous , filaments very short, Stamens  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserted below the throat in the middle of the tube (see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo),  ,anthers  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about1mm long, included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pollen grains*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cigar shaped (perprolate), monosulcate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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