Rashida I have not seen the two in nature but from available information I gather that berries of Mukia maderaspatana are smaller usually less than 1 cm and bristly when young. The berries of Diplocyclos are uasually larger than 1.5 cm, glabrous when young with faint white lines.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Rashida Atthar <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes Arvind ji Thanks, I have no doubt about this not being Solonum > species, my query to Dr. Gurcharan ji was how to differentiate btw. Mukia > and Diplocyclos, since the berries of Mukia too are very much like the ones > seen in the pictures. > > regards, > Rashida. > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Dr. Arvind Kadus < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Rashida Ji, I will post the photoes of Diplocyclos seeds which can >> help for the differences between two sp. In Ayurveda seeds are used as >> medicine. In the photoes there are no leaves seen thats why it is >> confusing for ID.But it is not solanum sp. 100 %.1.There is no calyx >> present at the base of fruit 2. No thorny structure,3. No dried thorny >> shrub at surrounding, 4. Most probably most of the solanum sp. fruits >> turns Yellow ar Orange ( may be red in S.indicum) after ripening.4. >> When plant gets dried fruits also get dried and not ripened and fresh. >> Thanx. >> Dr.kadus Arvind,Pune. >> >> On Oct 2, 10:01 am, Rashida Atthar <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Will be grateful sir, if you could kindly indicate how to distinguish >> the >> > two species, Mukia and Diplocyclos, since fruits looks so similar. I >> thought >> > the leaves seen in the second pic are of a different plant, isn't it? >> > Thanks. >> > >> > regards, >> > Rashida. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > Raghu ji >> > > Not to confuse cucurbits with Solanum species. Cucurbits are usually >> > > climbers with tendrils, not found in Solanum. Most important, curcubit >> fruit >> > > has a scar at the tip showing pisition of attachment of floral parts, >> not >> > > found in Solanum. >> > >> > > Yours is surely Diplocyclos palmatus, as suggested by Arvind ji >> > >> > >http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Lollipop%20Climber.html >> > >> > > -- >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > > Retired Associate Professor >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, raghu ananth <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> Dear Rashida/Dr. Arvind. >> > >> > >> Thanks a lot for the ID help and clear definitions. >> > >> > >> I feel some of the species listed below appear morphologically >> similar , >> > >> but are distinct in true sense. >> > >> > >> *1. Citrullus colocynthis*, a sister species of watermelon (*C. >> lanatus* >> > >> ). >> > >> 2. Mukia maderaspatana / Madras pea pumpkin >> > >> 3. Solanum kinds >> > >> > >> Regards >> > >> Raghu >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ >> > >> *From:* Dr. Arvind Kadus <[email protected]> >> > >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> > >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> *Sent:* Fri, 1 October, 2010 8:29:10 PM >> > >> *Subject:* Re: Solanum for ID from Chamundi hills - 01Oct10AR01 >> > >> > >> Picture shows it is a climber and not a shruby sp. 100 %. So Not from >> > >> Solanaceae but from Cucurbitaceae, Diplocyclos palmatus, commonly >> > >> known as: bryony, lollipop climber, marble vine • Hindi: शिवलिंगी >> > >> shivalingi • Kannada: ಲಿಮ್ಗತೊಮ್ಡೆ ಬಳ್ಳಿ limgatomde balli • Marathi: >> > >> महादेवी mahadevi • Sanskrit: अपष्ठम्भिनी apashtambhini, चित्रफला >> > >> chitraphala, लिङ्गिन् lingin, शिवलिङ्गी shivalingi • Tamil: ஐவிரலி >> > >> aivirali • Telugu: లింగదొండ linga-donda • >> > >> Thanks to Dinesh Ji for the names. >> > >> In Marathi called as शिवलिंगी shivalingi used in ayurvedic medicine. >> > >> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune. >> > >> > >> On Oct 1, 7:32 pm, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Mukia maderaspatana undoubtedly >> > >> > Tanay >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Rashida Atthar < >> > >> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > > Raghu ji , the green are the unripe berries and red ones the ripe >> > >> berries >> > >> > > of Mukia maderaspatana, also known as Madras pea pumpkin. It is >> > >> supposed to >> > >> > > be a climbing herb used in traditional medecine. >> > >> > >> > > regards, >> > >> > > Rashida. >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:21 PM, raghu ananth < >> [email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> Solanum species >> > >> > >> Dry stem, no leaves probably dead. Prickles pointed backward in >> stem >> > >> > >> Fruits - green, riped fruits -red. >> > >> > >> > >> For ID - Chamundi hills, Mysore | 01Oct10AR01 >> > >> > >> > >> Date/Time- Sep 2010 >> > >> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Chamundi hills, Mysore, >> 12"16'43.41 N >> > >> > >> 76"40' 03.09 E, elev - 3045 feet >> > >> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild >> > >> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- (climber ?) >> > >> > >> Height/Length- >> > >> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- dry stem no leaves probably dead. >> Prickles >> > >> > >> pointed backward in stem >> > >> > >> Inflorescence Type/ Size- >> > >> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- No flowers seen >> > >> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Smooth, globule, Red >> > >> > >> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- >> > >> > >> > >> Chamundi hills >> > >> > >> Mysore >> > >> > >> Sep 2010 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > *Tanay Bose* >> > >> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >> > >> > Department of Botany. >> > >> > University of British Columbia . >> > >> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >> > >> > Vancouver, B.C. 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