These are fruits (leaves dried here) of Diplocyclos palmatus for sure. Raghu ji, had you observed the seeds, you would have seen their amazing structure like miniature "Shiv Ling".
Regards Vijayasankar On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Rashida ji ... fruits of *Mukia maderaspatana* are just about the size of > regular pea ... while that of *Diplocyclos palmatus* are quite large in > this context ... as large as sphere made by 50 paise OR 1 Re coin. > > *Diplocyclos palmatus * > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Diplocyclos+palmatus&m=text > *Mukia maderaspatana * > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Mukia+maderaspatana&m=text > > > Regards. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Rashida >> I have not seen the two in nature but from available information I gather >> that berries of Mukia maderaspatana are smaller usually less than 1 cm and >> bristly when young. The berries of Diplocyclos are uasually larger than 1.5 >> cm, glabrous when young with faint white lines. >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Rashida Atthar <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Yes Arvind ji Thanks, I have no doubt about this not being Solonum >>> species, my query to Dr. Gurcharan ji was how to differentiate btw. Mukia >>> and Diplocyclos, since the berries of Mukia too are very much like the ones >>> seen in the pictures. >>> >>> regards, >>> Rashida. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Dr. Arvind Kadus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Rashida Ji, I will post the photoes of Diplocyclos seeds which can >>>> help for the differences between two sp. In Ayurveda seeds are used as >>>> medicine. In the photoes there are no leaves seen thats why it is >>>> confusing for ID.But it is not solanum sp. 100 %.1.There is no calyx >>>> present at the base of fruit 2. No thorny structure,3. No dried thorny >>>> shrub at surrounding, 4. Most probably most of the solanum sp. fruits >>>> turns Yellow ar Orange ( may be red in S.indicum) after ripening.4. >>>> When plant gets dried fruits also get dried and not ripened and fresh. >>>> Thanx. >>>> Dr.kadus Arvind,Pune. >>>> >>>> On Oct 2, 10:01 am, Rashida Atthar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Will be grateful sir, if you could kindly indicate how to distinguish >>>> the >>>> > two species, Mukia and Diplocyclos, since fruits looks so similar. I >>>> thought >>>> > the leaves seen in the second pic are of a different plant, isn't it? >>>> > Thanks. >>>> > >>>> > regards, >>>> > Rashida. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > Raghu ji >>>> > > Not to confuse cucurbits with Solanum species. Cucurbits are usually >>>> > > climbers with tendrils, not found in Solanum. Most important, >>>> curcubit fruit >>>> > > has a scar at the tip showing pisition of attachment of floral >>>> parts, not >>>> > > found in Solanum. >>>> > >>>> > > Yours is surely Diplocyclos palmatus, as suggested by Arvind ji >>>> > >>>> > >http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Lollipop%20Climber.html >>>> > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> > > Retired Associate Professor >>>> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> > >>>> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, raghu ananth <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Rashida/Dr. Arvind. >>>> > >>>> > >> Thanks a lot for the ID help and clear definitions. >>>> > >>>> > >> I feel some of the species listed below appear morphologically >>>> similar , >>>> > >> but are distinct in true sense. >>>> > >>>> > >> *1. Citrullus colocynthis*, a sister species of watermelon (*C. >>>> lanatus* >>>> > >> ). >>>> > >> 2. Mukia maderaspatana / Madras pea pumpkin >>>> > >> 3. Solanum kinds >>>> > >>>> > >> Regards >>>> > >> Raghu >>>> > >>>> > >> ------------------------------ >>>> > >> *From:* Dr. Arvind Kadus <[email protected]> >>>> > >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> > >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>> > >> [email protected] >>>> > >> *Sent:* Fri, 1 October, 2010 8:29:10 PM >>>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Solanum for ID from Chamundi hills - 01Oct10AR01 >>>> > >>>> > >> Picture shows it is a climber and not a shruby sp. 100 %. So Not >>>> from >>>> > >> Solanaceae but from Cucurbitaceae, Diplocyclos palmatus, commonly >>>> > >> known as: bryony, lollipop climber, marble vine • Hindi: शिवलिंगी >>>> > >> shivalingi • Kannada: ಲಿಮ್ಗತೊಮ್ಡೆ ಬಳ್ಳಿ limgatomde balli • Marathi: >>>> > >> महादेवी mahadevi • Sanskrit: अपष्ठम्भिनी apashtambhini, चित्रफला >>>> > >> chitraphala, लिङ्गिन् lingin, शिवलिङ्गी shivalingi • Tamil: ஐவிரலி >>>> > >> aivirali • Telugu: లింగదొండ linga-donda • >>>> > >> Thanks to Dinesh Ji for the names. >>>> > >> In Marathi called as शिवलिंगी shivalingi used in ayurvedic >>>> medicine. >>>> > >> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune. >>>> > >>>> > >> On Oct 1, 7:32 pm, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >> > Mukia maderaspatana undoubtedly >>>> > >> > Tanay >>>> > >>>> > >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Rashida Atthar < >>>> > >> [email protected]>wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> > > Raghu ji , the green are the unripe berries and red ones the >>>> ripe >>>> > >> berries >>>> > >> > > of Mukia maderaspatana, also known as Madras pea pumpkin. It is >>>> > >> supposed to >>>> > >> > > be a climbing herb used in traditional medecine. >>>> > >>>> > >> > > regards, >>>> > >> > > Rashida. >>>> > >>>> > >> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:21 PM, raghu ananth < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Solanum species >>>> > >> > >> Dry stem, no leaves probably dead. Prickles pointed backward >>>> in stem >>>> > >> > >> Fruits - green, riped fruits -red. >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> For ID - Chamundi hills, Mysore | 01Oct10AR01 >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Date/Time- Sep 2010 >>>> > >> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Chamundi hills, Mysore, >>>> 12"16'43.41 N >>>> > >> > >> 76"40' 03.09 E, elev - 3045 feet >>>> > >> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild >>>> > >> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- (climber ?) >>>> > >> > >> Height/Length- >>>> > >> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- dry stem no leaves probably dead. >>>> Prickles >>>> > >> > >> pointed backward in stem >>>> > >> > >> Inflorescence Type/ Size- >>>> > >> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- No flowers seen >>>> > >> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Smooth, globule, Red >>>> > >> > >> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Chamundi hills >>>> > >> > >> Mysore >>>> > >> > >> Sep 2010 >>>> > >>>> > >> > -- >>>> > >> > *Tanay Bose* >>>> > >> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>> > >> > Department of Botany. >>>> > >> > University of British Columbia . >>>> > >> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>> > >> > Vancouver, B.C. 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