Rashida ji ... fruits of *Mukia maderaspatana* are just about the size of regular pea ... while that of *Diplocyclos palmatus* are quite large in this context ... as large as sphere made by 50 paise OR 1 Re coin.
*Diplocyclos palmatus * http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Diplocyclos+palmatus&m=text *Mukia maderaspatana * http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Mukia+maderaspatana&m=text Regards. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Rashida > I have not seen the two in nature but from available information I gather > that berries of Mukia maderaspatana are smaller usually less than 1 cm and > bristly when young. The berries of Diplocyclos are uasually larger than 1.5 > cm, glabrous when young with faint white lines. > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Rashida Atthar > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes Arvind ji Thanks, I have no doubt about this not being Solonum >> species, my query to Dr. Gurcharan ji was how to differentiate btw. Mukia >> and Diplocyclos, since the berries of Mukia too are very much like the ones >> seen in the pictures. >> >> regards, >> Rashida. >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Dr. Arvind Kadus < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Rashida Ji, I will post the photoes of Diplocyclos seeds which can >>> help for the differences between two sp. In Ayurveda seeds are used as >>> medicine. In the photoes there are no leaves seen thats why it is >>> confusing for ID.But it is not solanum sp. 100 %.1.There is no calyx >>> present at the base of fruit 2. No thorny structure,3. No dried thorny >>> shrub at surrounding, 4. Most probably most of the solanum sp. fruits >>> turns Yellow ar Orange ( may be red in S.indicum) after ripening.4. >>> When plant gets dried fruits also get dried and not ripened and fresh. >>> Thanx. >>> Dr.kadus Arvind,Pune. >>> >>> On Oct 2, 10:01 am, Rashida Atthar <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Will be grateful sir, if you could kindly indicate how to distinguish >>> the >>> > two species, Mukia and Diplocyclos, since fruits looks so similar. I >>> thought >>> > the leaves seen in the second pic are of a different plant, isn't it? >>> > Thanks. >>> > >>> > regards, >>> > Rashida. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Raghu ji >>> > > Not to confuse cucurbits with Solanum species. Cucurbits are usually >>> > > climbers with tendrils, not found in Solanum. Most important, >>> curcubit fruit >>> > > has a scar at the tip showing pisition of attachment of floral parts, >>> not >>> > > found in Solanum. >>> > >>> > > Yours is surely Diplocyclos palmatus, as suggested by Arvind ji >>> > >>> > >http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Lollipop%20Climber.html >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > > Retired Associate Professor >>> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, raghu ananth <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> Dear Rashida/Dr. Arvind. >>> > >>> > >> Thanks a lot for the ID help and clear definitions. >>> > >>> > >> I feel some of the species listed below appear morphologically >>> similar , >>> > >> but are distinct in true sense. >>> > >>> > >> *1. Citrullus colocynthis*, a sister species of watermelon (*C. >>> lanatus* >>> > >> ). >>> > >> 2. Mukia maderaspatana / Madras pea pumpkin >>> > >> 3. Solanum kinds >>> > >>> > >> Regards >>> > >> Raghu >>> > >>> > >> ------------------------------ >>> > >> *From:* Dr. Arvind Kadus <[email protected]> >>> > >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> > >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> > >> [email protected] >>> > >> *Sent:* Fri, 1 October, 2010 8:29:10 PM >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Solanum for ID from Chamundi hills - 01Oct10AR01 >>> > >>> > >> Picture shows it is a climber and not a shruby sp. 100 %. So Not >>> from >>> > >> Solanaceae but from Cucurbitaceae, Diplocyclos palmatus, commonly >>> > >> known as: bryony, lollipop climber, marble vine • Hindi: शिवलिंगी >>> > >> shivalingi • Kannada: ಲಿಮ್ಗತೊಮ್ಡೆ ಬಳ್ಳಿ limgatomde balli • Marathi: >>> > >> महादेवी mahadevi • Sanskrit: अपष्ठम्भिनी apashtambhini, चित्रफला >>> > >> chitraphala, लिङ्गिन् lingin, शिवलिङ्गी shivalingi • Tamil: ஐவிரலி >>> > >> aivirali • Telugu: లింగదొండ linga-donda • >>> > >> Thanks to Dinesh Ji for the names. >>> > >> In Marathi called as शिवलिंगी shivalingi used in ayurvedic medicine. >>> > >> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune. >>> > >>> > >> On Oct 1, 7:32 pm, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> > Mukia maderaspatana undoubtedly >>> > >> > Tanay >>> > >>> > >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Rashida Atthar < >>> > >> [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > >> > > Raghu ji , the green are the unripe berries and red ones the >>> ripe >>> > >> berries >>> > >> > > of Mukia maderaspatana, also known as Madras pea pumpkin. It is >>> > >> supposed to >>> > >> > > be a climbing herb used in traditional medecine. >>> > >>> > >> > > regards, >>> > >> > > Rashida. >>> > >>> > >> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:21 PM, raghu ananth < >>> [email protected]> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> > >> Solanum species >>> > >> > >> Dry stem, no leaves probably dead. Prickles pointed backward >>> in stem >>> > >> > >> Fruits - green, riped fruits -red. >>> > >>> > >> > >> For ID - Chamundi hills, Mysore | 01Oct10AR01 >>> > >>> > >> > >> Date/Time- Sep 2010 >>> > >> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Chamundi hills, Mysore, >>> 12"16'43.41 N >>> > >> > >> 76"40' 03.09 E, elev - 3045 feet >>> > >> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild >>> > >> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- (climber ?) >>> > >> > >> Height/Length- >>> > >> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- dry stem no leaves probably dead. >>> Prickles >>> > >> > >> pointed backward in stem >>> > >> > >> Inflorescence Type/ Size- >>> > >> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- No flowers seen >>> > >> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Smooth, globule, Red >>> > >> > >> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- >>> > >>> > >> > >> Chamundi hills >>> > >> > >> Mysore >>> > >> > >> Sep 2010 >>> > >>> > >> > -- >>> > >> > *Tanay Bose* >>> > >> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>> > >> > Department of Botany. >>> > >> > University of British Columbia . >>> > >> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>> > >> > Vancouver, B.C. 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