Thanks Dinesh ji for the comparative pictures! Very clear now ! regards, Rashida.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Rashida ji ... fruits of *Mukia maderaspatana* are just about the size of > regular pea ... while that of *Diplocyclos palmatus* are quite large in > this context ... as large as sphere made by 50 paise OR 1 Re coin. > > *Diplocyclos palmatus * > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Diplocyclos+palmatus&m=text > *Mukia maderaspatana * > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Mukia+maderaspatana&m=text > > > Regards. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Rashida >> I have not seen the two in nature but from available information I gather >> that berries of Mukia maderaspatana are smaller usually less than 1 cm and >> bristly when young. The berries of Diplocyclos are uasually larger than 1.5 >> cm, glabrous when young with faint white lines. >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Rashida Atthar <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Yes Arvind ji Thanks, I have no doubt about this not being Solonum >>> species, my query to Dr. Gurcharan ji was how to differentiate btw. Mukia >>> and Diplocyclos, since the berries of Mukia too are very much like the ones >>> seen in the pictures. >>> >>> regards, >>> Rashida. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Dr. Arvind Kadus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Rashida Ji, I will post the photoes of Diplocyclos seeds which can >>>> help for the differences between two sp. In Ayurveda seeds are used as >>>> medicine. In the photoes there are no leaves seen thats why it is >>>> confusing for ID.But it is not solanum sp. 100 %.1.There is no calyx >>>> present at the base of fruit 2. No thorny structure,3. No dried thorny >>>> shrub at surrounding, 4. Most probably most of the solanum sp. fruits >>>> turns Yellow ar Orange ( may be red in S.indicum) after ripening.4. >>>> When plant gets dried fruits also get dried and not ripened and fresh. >>>> Thanx. >>>> Dr.kadus Arvind,Pune. >>>> >>>> On Oct 2, 10:01 am, Rashida Atthar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Will be grateful sir, if you could kindly indicate how to distinguish >>>> the >>>> > two species, Mukia and Diplocyclos, since fruits looks so similar. I >>>> thought >>>> > the leaves seen in the second pic are of a different plant, isn't it? >>>> > Thanks. >>>> > >>>> > regards, >>>> > Rashida. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > Raghu ji >>>> > > Not to confuse cucurbits with Solanum species. Cucurbits are usually >>>> > > climbers with tendrils, not found in Solanum. Most important, >>>> curcubit fruit >>>> > > has a scar at the tip showing pisition of attachment of floral >>>> parts, not >>>> > > found in Solanum. >>>> > >>>> > > Yours is surely Diplocyclos palmatus, as suggested by Arvind ji >>>> > >>>> > >http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Lollipop%20Climber.html >>>> > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> > > Retired Associate Professor >>>> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> > >>>> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, raghu ananth <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> Dear Rashida/Dr. Arvind. >>>> > >>>> > >> Thanks a lot for the ID help and clear definitions. >>>> > >>>> > >> I feel some of the species listed below appear morphologically >>>> similar , >>>> > >> but are distinct in true sense. >>>> > >>>> > >> *1. Citrullus colocynthis*, a sister species of watermelon (*C. >>>> lanatus* >>>> > >> ). >>>> > >> 2. Mukia maderaspatana / Madras pea pumpkin >>>> > >> 3. Solanum kinds >>>> > >>>> > >> Regards >>>> > >> Raghu >>>> > >>>> > >> ------------------------------ >>>> > >> *From:* Dr. Arvind Kadus <[email protected]> >>>> > >> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> > >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>> > >> [email protected] >>>> > >> *Sent:* Fri, 1 October, 2010 8:29:10 PM >>>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Solanum for ID from Chamundi hills - 01Oct10AR01 >>>> > >>>> > >> Picture shows it is a climber and not a shruby sp. 100 %. So Not >>>> from >>>> > >> Solanaceae but from Cucurbitaceae, Diplocyclos palmatus, commonly >>>> > >> known as: bryony, lollipop climber, marble vine • Hindi: शिवलिंगी >>>> > >> shivalingi • Kannada: ಲಿಮ್ಗತೊಮ್ಡೆ ಬಳ್ಳಿ limgatomde balli • Marathi: >>>> > >> महादेवी mahadevi • Sanskrit: अपष्ठम्भिनी apashtambhini, चित्रफला >>>> > >> chitraphala, लिङ्गिन् lingin, शिवलिङ्गी shivalingi • Tamil: ஐவிரலி >>>> > >> aivirali • Telugu: లింగదొండ linga-donda • >>>> > >> Thanks to Dinesh Ji for the names. >>>> > >> In Marathi called as शिवलिंगी shivalingi used in ayurvedic >>>> medicine. >>>> > >> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune. >>>> > >>>> > >> On Oct 1, 7:32 pm, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >> > Mukia maderaspatana undoubtedly >>>> > >> > Tanay >>>> > >>>> > >> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Rashida Atthar < >>>> > >> [email protected]>wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> > > Raghu ji , the green are the unripe berries and red ones the >>>> ripe >>>> > >> berries >>>> > >> > > of Mukia maderaspatana, also known as Madras pea pumpkin. It is >>>> > >> supposed to >>>> > >> > > be a climbing herb used in traditional medecine. >>>> > >>>> > >> > > regards, >>>> > >> > > Rashida. >>>> > >>>> > >> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:21 PM, raghu ananth < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Solanum species >>>> > >> > >> Dry stem, no leaves probably dead. Prickles pointed backward >>>> in stem >>>> > >> > >> Fruits - green, riped fruits -red. >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> For ID - Chamundi hills, Mysore | 01Oct10AR01 >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Date/Time- Sep 2010 >>>> > >> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Chamundi hills, Mysore, >>>> 12"16'43.41 N >>>> > >> > >> 76"40' 03.09 E, elev - 3045 feet >>>> > >> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild >>>> > >> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- (climber ?) >>>> > >> > >> Height/Length- >>>> > >> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- dry stem no leaves probably dead. >>>> Prickles >>>> > >> > >> pointed backward in stem >>>> > >> > >> Inflorescence Type/ Size- >>>> > >> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- No flowers seen >>>> > >> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Smooth, globule, Red >>>> > >> > >> Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Chamundi hills >>>> > >> > >> Mysore >>>> > >> > >> Sep 2010 >>>> > >>>> > >> > -- >>>> > >> > *Tanay Bose* >>>> > >> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>> > >> > Department of Botany. >>>> > >> > University of British Columbia . >>>> > >> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>> > >> > Vancouver, B.C. 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