Hallo, Pankaj ji and Pankaj ji, I too have never heard this phrase. But never mind. After having lived in england and germany (apart from india) and knowing many more countries in europe and south america, I would say, it is not only indians have this bad habbit and Pankaj Kumar ji says (We Indians have this habit of pointing on others but we never tend to correct ourselves. Sorry to say that!!...but if every Indian tries to correct his or her own deeds then India will surely emerge out as a better nation than any other country in the world. ). It is a character of a common human being more or less all over the world. But I don't want to divert the attention from the main issue.
We have discussed this issue wide and long, what they should do. There were good points in the discussion. Are there other groups, other than NatureIndia, who are doing this good work. Will it be helpful to join hands with them rather that starting yet another group and spreading and probably wasting efforts over so many groups. It is probably better, if the various groups communicate with each other and cooperate. Now the monsoon is more or less over so the flowering at kaas. So ther is now time to plan the activities for the coming year. Regards Nalini ----- Original Message ----- From: Pankaj Oudhia To: efloraofindia Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:49514] Re: KAAS..Ata BAA...SS ! Having hundreds of German fans but never heard it. If they say Indian Crabs then one can correct it by giving this simple scientific explanation. :) Leg pulling is Global Phenomenon even common in Plant Kingdom. Many terms it as Allelopathy. regards Pankaj Oudhia On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: No, I am talking about may be the german version of the phrase where they specifically say INDIAN CRABS!! Pankaj On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]> wrote: > It is not Indian Crabs but habit of all crabs in general. This phrase is > popularly used for Cancerian i.e. Kark Rashi people in Astrology. ;) > > regards > > Pankaj Oudhia > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I agree with Shrikant sir on one point. We Indians have this habit of >> pointing on others but we never tend to correct ourselves. >> Sorry to say that!!...but if every Indian tries to correct his or her >> own deeds then India will surely emerge out as a better nation than >> any other country in the world. There is a very bad phrase for Indians >> in Germany. You put the Indian Crabs in a bucket and none will come >> out.....WHY????.... because each one of them is pulling legs of >> others!!!! >> >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, shrikant ingalhalikar >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > >> > I am repeating my comments posted else where some time back. >> > Incidently only Mr. Oudhia responded with concern on it (Loss to >> > Iphigenia stellata). In the recent pictures no car is seen off the >> > road and inspite of all the inconvenience they seem to be parked in >> > descipline. When you are within a crowd of 37K, no point complaining >> > about mob mentality. Please excuse me for this comment but instead of >> > pointing at the 'other idiot' (just a phrase) each one should refrain >> > from visiting on a peak flowering day. I refused to go as a resource >> > person with 3 groups and all went on the same Sunday. Kas is a great >> > place to go any time and many times. >> > >> > First of all pls trust that I am with the sentiments of members over >> > conservation of Kas heritage. I have been watching this location for >> > the past 35 years for its flora. I wish to assure everyone that Kas >> > flora diversity and distribution has not changed a bit in the last 35 >> > years. This is in spite of trampling, burning, grazing and other >> > local >> > interventions over infinite years. Most of the plants here have >> > rhizomes, tubers or bulbs that remain safe under the ground to sprout >> > in the next monsoon. Plants regenerating from seeds are abundent and >> > plucking by a few over enthusiasts makes a little or no difference to >> > their re-appearance. Plants said to have some use are plucked the >> > most. >> > >> > >> > The only plant that may be facing a threat is Iphigenia stellata. In >> > July when other plants are not in bloom and Kas is deserted, several >> > people arrive at Kas early morniing and dig out plants with tubers. A >> > plant per 1 sq m is dug out and taken away for medicinal use. Its >> > fortunate (?) that the plant still sprouts each year to be collected >> > next year. I am hence srictly against spelling out any uses for any >> > plant; and on top of it people think wild plants have more potency >> > than the cultivated ones. Why can't they grow such plants in their >> > fields? >> > >> > >> > The most concerning part is the thronging of enthusiasts in great >> > numbers on a particular day. The facilities certainly can not cope up >> > to accomodate 5000 vehicles and 20,000 visitors. (As reported on 19 >> > th >> > Sept) Every visitor thinks that others should not have come. Best >> > way >> > to enjoy Kas in such a situations is to avoid peak hours and to avoid >> > peak crowding days. If local businessmen see a huge crowd thronging, >> > they are bound to cash on the needs of visitors. Unfortunetely the >> > crowd is creating the market for resorts, eating houses and stalls. >> > As >> > such the influx of visitors (and even this concern) fades away with >> > the bloom of flowers and in other months no one cares to stop at Kas >> > plateau. I have stopped going to Kas for the last few years. There >> > are >> > many plateaus around but they are not accessible by car like Kas. >> > >> > >> > Putting up a board to show the exact location is not necessary; >> > people >> > who know the plants don't miss it but why attract even the ignorant >> > ones? Every time conservation issue is raised, the forest dept (or I >> > do not know who) takes up tree plantation at any site. Kas is no >> > exception to this disaster. Several Silver Oaks can be seen planted >> > on >> > the plateau proudly by some one. Putting up a fence to prevent >> > movement of people and cattle also can be harmful. The famous valley >> > of flowers is grossly invaded by Polygonum and Impatiens due to such >> > restrictions. >> > >> > >> > Littering is a problem with visitors but thats a national problem. We >> > can only reduce it with volutary help. Many local groups await help >> > from visitors on this issue. A meet of Kas lovers in an off season >> > month to pick garbage will be very useful. Action beyond just >> > complaining is welcome. >> > >> > >> > Developement in terms of mining and wind mills would be disastrous >> > but >> > I am sure Kas will be spared from such invasion. Every location >> > suited >> > for a non polluting non conventional energy resource is bound to be >> > on >> > a plateau and is bound to have some flora and fauna. A balanced >> > approach rather than a total ban would resolve this issue. As such >> > the >> > wind mill site gets under tight security after the installation. It >> > would be worthwhile to find out how the the flora and fauna has >> > changed there after a few years of isolation. >> > >> > >> > No one can resist going to Kas and posting the spectacle on Orkut, >> > Facebook or Google groups. I feel that we ourselves should ensure >> > that >> > we do not burden Kas. If a tea stall comes up we should refrain from >> > holding a steaming cup in the rolling mist of Kas. The plateau >> > expects >> > least interventions from outsiders like us, it will sustain and >> > please >> > us as it has done over the years. >> > >> > >> > Thank you and with regards, Shrikant >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Oct 4, 3:46 pm, arvind kadus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> KAAS..Ata BAA...SS ! Asach Mhanayachi Vel Aliye! >> >> Here are some veiws showing how we Indian people are ! Now we have >> >> to say Ab Bass !!! >> >> KAAS BACHAO ! Prevent to make it another PANCHGANI ! >> >> Last Sat Sunday 37000 people visited Kaas, This sat Sunday data yet to >> >> come ! Imagin how much quantity of the plants were distroyed by the people >> >> in these Sat Sundays! >> >> Dr.Kadus Arvind, Pune. >> >> >> >> Nature Vs Devolopment.JPG >> >> 38KViewDownload >> >> >> >> Need to stop now!.JPG >> >> 31KViewDownload >> >> >> >> Parking of approx 1 km line..JPG >> >> 43KViewDownload >> >> >> >> People are coming with full of Buses.JPG >> >> 64KViewDownload >> >> >> >> Photo Kadhanyachi Kewadhi Ti Haus !!.JPG >> >> 62KViewDownload >> >> >> >> Smithia Crying !!.JPG >> >> 130KViewDownload >> >> >> >> Traffic jam at KAAS..JPG >> >> 45KViewDownload >> >> >> >> We have to Stop this !.JPG >> >> 140KViewDownload >> >> >> >> -- >> *********************************************** >> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> Research Associate >> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project >> Department of Habitat Ecology >> Wildlife Institute of India >> Post Box # 18 >> Dehradun - 248001, India > > -- *********************************************** "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
