I would like to see the images once again please. Kind regards, Tapas
On Sat, Jan 10, 2026, 10:50 PM Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > Any further discussions on this issue? > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fivh.bsi.gov.in%2Fphanerogams-Details%2Fen%3Flink%3DMH00001112%26column%3DszBarcode&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCNDmmpy6gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI&opi=89978449 > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fivh.bsi.gov.in%2Fphanerogams-Details%2Fen%3Flink%3DMH00001114%26column%3DszBarcode&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCKDblfS6gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAj&opi=89978449 > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCOjpwJm7gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABBB&opi=89978449 > https://efloraofindia.com/2021/03/10/phyllanthus-narayanswamii/ > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/South-Indian%2520Gooseberry.html&ved=2ahUKEwjG9dW0u4GSAxW6SmwGHX6MO3kQh-wKegQIHBAE&usg=AOvVaw1gJr5Rwoa1BTwqCKXoeCRp > > Thank you > Saroj Kasaju > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:33:14 PM UTC+5:45 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:438737] Phyllanthus rangachariarii Murugan, > Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 > To: ashutoshsharma11sn <[email protected]>, tchakrab < > [email protected]> > Cc: JM Garg <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < > [email protected]> > > > That would be a great news Tapas Da! > Thank you > Saroj Kasaju > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 at 3:31 pm, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > > May be a new species in the making. > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2022, 11:38 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think Tapas ji may be able to resolve this issue. > > On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 at 14:22, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > > Images from > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu > loks different compared to Ashutosh Ji's images ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 1:39 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, Tapas ji, > What do you say? > Why images posted by Ashutosh ji look so thick. > Why images of Phyllanthus narayanswamii look different as per > https://efloraofindia.com/2021/03/10/phyllanthus-narayanswamii/ > https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:354846-1 > http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu > > On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 at 13:09, ashutoshsharma11sn <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Garg ji, > > This is only *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, there should not be any > doubts about its identity. The only doubt we have is about its status as a > species (as discussed with Dr. Tapas sir) as it is close to* P. > gardnerianus* and *P. simplex *but this can be only resolved after > molecular studies. > There is absolutely no chances of my plant being *P. macraei*. I think > you may be are confused because of the misidentified plant images posted on > Flora of Peninsular India Website. If you will closely check with the gbif > specimens its perfectly matching along with illustration showing thickened > recurved leaf margins on the herbarium sheet > https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/912222572 > > Thanks and regards > Ashutosh Sharma > On Sunday, 25 December, 2022 at 12:52:03 pm UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > > Any more thoughts, Ashutosh ji? > > On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 21:39, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > It still seems a mystery to me. > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 17:09, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > > The image marked as A is *Phyllanthus macraei *Mull.Arg., now called *Cathetus > rheedei *(Wight) R.W. Bouman. > The image marked as B is *Phyllanthus stylosus *Griff. (syn. *P. > griffithii *Mull.Arg.), now known as *Cathetus stylosus *(Griff.) R.W. > Bouman > The image marked as C is *Phyllanthus gageanus *(Gamble) M.Mohanan, now > known as *Nymphanthus gageanus *(Gamble) R.W. Bouman ex Chakrab. & N.P. > Balakr. > The image marked as D is the lectotype of *Phyllanthus roeperianus *Wall. > ex Mull.Arg., now known as *Cathetus roeperianus *(Wall. ex Mull.Arg.) > Chakrab. & N.P. Balakr. > > With regards, > Tapas > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 4:26 PM Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This is not at all P. macraei. > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 16:24 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, Tapas ji, > What about its id as *Phyllanthus macraei* as per GBIF > <https://www.gbif.org/species/5382353> specimen > <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FU.1472314%2Fformat%2Flarge> > and > images at > https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/09/phyllanthus-macraei/ ? > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 16:11, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > > Two persons, one from Delhi University and the other from IISC Bangalore > had contacted me for initial identifications of their specimens for > initiating molecular studies. Unfortunately none of them have published > their findings yet. One person published a new species, P. palakondensis. > The other person from Delhi shared me images from three localities of TN > and AP and asked me to name them. I found that the supposed morphological > differences between P. gardnerianus and P. narayanswamii are not standing > good due to presence of intermediate plants (images). However, P. simplex > stands separate for its much narrower and thinner leaves and presence of > bisexual cymules, absent in the other two. > Meanwhile Bouman et al. (2022) recognized these species as distinct under > the genus Cathetus. They had not studied DNA samples of P. narayanswamii. > In concusion, in my opinion, morphologically P. naraynswamii is same as P. > gardnerianus but different from P. simplex. > I hope molecular data and field observations will eventually clarify the > situation. > With regards, > Tapas > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 15:48 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > Some earlier relevant feedback: > This is not at all P. rangachariarii. Just now I noticed that the male > sepals are 6. > The characters of the plant point to very close alliance to Phyllanthus > clarkei in almost all characters. But I have some doubts because P. clarkei > in not known from peninsular India so far and the leaves here are stiffly > coriaceous. The glands in male flowers appear to be 6 instead of 3. > So, please study your plant very carefully once again and compare with P. > clarkei (now called Cathetus clarkei). > With regards, > > Tapas > > Even closer to P. gardnerianus but leaves sessile and thickly coriaceous.- > from Tapas ji > Thanks for pointing the mistake in id. You are absolutely correct it can't > be *Phyllanthus rangachariarii* owing to the characters you mentioned > i.e. 6 perianth and glands in male flowers instead of 4 in > *P. rangachariarii*). Additionally my plant is much smaller is height not > taller than 2 feets while *P. rangachariarii* is a much bigger shrub upto > 2 metre tall. > I also checked type material images available on BSI virtual herbarium, > confirming the same. > > https://ivh.bsi.gov.in/phanerogams/en?search_bar=Phyllanthus+rangachariarii&selection=Scientific_Name > With best regards > > Ashutosh Sharma > This must be *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble > Under shrub upto 2 metre tall. Leaves alternative,sessile, elliptic > coriaceous with thickened recurved margins. Perianth lobes 6 with 6 small > glands in male flowers. Fruit capsule globose with verrucose glands. All > these characters are matching with *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *Gamble > So our plant is *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, which is already > reported from the Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve where I have clicked this > plant. > Tapas sir I hope the identity is correct now! > With best regards > > Ashutosh Sharma > Syn. of *Phyllanthus virgatus *G.Forst. ? ? Looks different from images > at > http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 ! > Now , *Cathetus virgatus* (G.Forst.) R.W.Bouman ?? > Please compare with *Phyllanthus macraei *Müll.Arg. . Now: *Cathetus > rheedei* (Wight) R.W.Bouman > > https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%27s%2520Leaf-Flower.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%2527s%2520Leaf-Flower.html&tbnid=y_CcsFWbZQlm0M&vet=12ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT..i&docid=ic-GNIA7lTEb8M&w=600&h=449&q=Phyllanthus%20macraei&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > Someone recently united P. narayanswamii under P. virgatus but kept P. > gardnerianus distinct. Bouman et al. (2022) maintained all as distinct. I > am fully confused here. P. virgatus is a Pacific species while P. simplex > is Asian. Someone recently informed me that P. narayanswsmii is distinct > from P. gardnerianus by habit, habitat and DNA data. > My studies based on specimens and images indicate that narayanswamii and > gardnerianus should be merged but considering the confusions, I will not go > for any taxonomic changes. Let someone clarify these 3 species with field > data combined with DNA studies. > With regards, > > Tapas > Thanks for your valuable comments Tapas sir. I agree with your views and > meanwhile someone clarify these 3 species based on field data combined with > DNA/molecular studies, Garg ji in my opinion we should keep it as a > separate species on our website under page *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* > Gamble. > Please note than Verwijs *et al.* 2019 while synonymizing P. > *narayanswamii* under *P. virgatus* have also mentioned some difference > "The nervature of the leaves on the type of *P. narayanswamii* differs a > little bit from other specimens of* P. virgatus *in the prominent > nervature on the lower side of the leaf blade". Also it is notable that > when the publication of Verwijs *et al. *came in October 2019, at around > same time (just two months before in August) came another publication in > Phytotaxa entitled "Taxonomic and habitat update to *Phyllanthus > narayanswamii *(Phyllanthaceae): an endemic and endangered species from > southern India" which is not referred in the publication of Verwijs *et > al. *because as I mentioned earlier they got published round same time*.* So > before this publication only little data was available about *P. > narayanswamii* with no any images, so who knows if the publication on *P. > narayanswamii* taxonomic and habitat update would have came earlier, > Verwijs *et al. m*ay have retained the distinct species status of *P. > narayanswamii* as they retained the status of *P. gardnerianus* and *P. > tararae. *They have also mentioned in their paper abstract that "The > species complex around *Phyllanthus virgatus* remains taxonomically > difficult" and we are suffering from the same thing here... > Thanks and regards > > Ashutosh Sharma > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Ashutosh Sharma* <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 12:35 > Subject: [efloraofindia:438048] Phyllanthus rangachariarii Murugan, Kabeer > & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 > To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> > > > Dear members, > > Here's a new addition to eFloraofIndia website. > > *Phyllanthus rangachariari*i Murugan, Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy > Family - Phyllanthaceae > > This rare species is narrow endemic to Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve, > Tamil Nadu > > Photographed in Kanyakumari district, Tamil Nadu > In November 2022 > > With best regards > Ashutosh Sharma > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2bd5e954-fce4-4f30-9df4-30b2b7551419n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2bd5e954-fce4-4f30-9df4-30b2b7551419n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB7LkbvEtfTMguXZofMXmm%2BoOmBfXxCtMAzpbkiVjXNKg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB7LkbvEtfTMguXZofMXmm%2BoOmBfXxCtMAzpbkiVjXNKg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRBkk3Wr23bns_YM1qxPbOxa%3DKR00af%3DbxsU%2BJDVr3gNg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRBkk3Wr23bns_YM1qxPbOxa%3DKR00af%3DbxsU%2BJDVr3gNg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > -- > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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