I think you are right, Tapas Da. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbiodiversityofsrilanka.blogspot.com%2F2021%2F09%2Fphyllanthus-gardnerianus.html&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCOiE05Xdg5IDFQAAAAAdAAAAABBZ&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Findiaflora-ces.iisc.ac.in%2FFloraPeninsular%2Fplants.php%3Fname%3DPhyllanthus%2520gardnerianus&ved=0CBYQjRxqFwoTCOiE05Xdg5IDFQAAAAAdAAAAABB0&opi=89978449
Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Sun, Jan 11, 2026 at 4:17 PM Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Ashutosh ji, > > This is *Phyllanthus gardnerianus *only. > > Kind regards, > Tapas Chakrabarty. > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2026 at 11:03 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Tapas Da, >> >> I am sending the link please. >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/3srtIXooQRk/m/RsEAhdNhCAAJ >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2026 at 11:16 PM Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I would like to see the images once again please. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Tapas >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2026, 10:50 PM Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Any further discussions on this issue? >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fivh.bsi.gov.in%2Fphanerogams-Details%2Fen%3Flink%3DMH00001112%26column%3DszBarcode&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCNDmmpy6gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI&opi=89978449 >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fivh.bsi.gov.in%2Fphanerogams-Details%2Fen%3Flink%3DMH00001114%26column%3DszBarcode&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCKDblfS6gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAj&opi=89978449 >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu&ved=0CBoQjhxqFwoTCOjpwJm7gZIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABBB&opi=89978449 >>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2021/03/10/phyllanthus-narayanswamii/ >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/South-Indian%2520Gooseberry.html&ved=2ahUKEwjG9dW0u4GSAxW6SmwGHX6MO3kQh-wKegQIHBAE&usg=AOvVaw1gJr5Rwoa1BTwqCKXoeCRp >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:33:14 PM UTC+5:45 >>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:438737] Phyllanthus rangachariarii Murugan, >>>> Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 >>>> To: ashutoshsharma11sn <[email protected]>, tchakrab < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Cc: JM Garg <[email protected]>, efloraofindia < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> That would be a great news Tapas Da! >>>> Thank you >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 at 3:31 pm, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> May be a new species in the making. >>>> >>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2022, 11:38 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Tapas ji may be able to resolve this issue. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 at 14:22, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Images from >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu >>>> loks different compared to Ashutosh Ji's images ! >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 1:39 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Tapas ji, >>>> What do you say? >>>> Why images posted by Ashutosh ji look so thick. >>>> Why images of Phyllanthus narayanswamii look different as per >>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2021/03/10/phyllanthus-narayanswamii/ >>>> https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:354846-1 >>>> http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 >>>> >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282182721_Notes_on_Phyllanthus_narayanaswamii_Gamble_Euphorbiaceae_and_Dimeria_lawsonii_Hookf_Fischer_Poaceae_-_from_the_state_of_Tamil_Nadu >>>> >>>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 at 13:09, ashutoshsharma11sn < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>> >>>> This is only *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, there should not be >>>> any doubts about its identity. The only doubt we have is about its status >>>> as a species (as discussed with Dr. Tapas sir) as it is close to* P. >>>> gardnerianus* and *P. simplex *but this can be only resolved after >>>> molecular studies. >>>> There is absolutely no chances of my plant being *P. macraei*. I think >>>> you may be are confused because of the misidentified plant images posted on >>>> Flora of Peninsular India Website. If you will closely check with the gbif >>>> specimens its perfectly matching along with illustration showing thickened >>>> recurved leaf margins on the herbarium sheet >>>> https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/912222572 >>>> >>>> Thanks and regards >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> On Sunday, 25 December, 2022 at 12:52:03 pm UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>> >>>> Any more thoughts, Ashutosh ji? >>>> >>>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 21:39, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It still seems a mystery to me. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 17:09, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The image marked as A is *Phyllanthus macraei *Mull.Arg., now called >>>> *Cathetus >>>> rheedei *(Wight) R.W. Bouman. >>>> The image marked as B is *Phyllanthus stylosus *Griff. (syn. *P. >>>> griffithii *Mull.Arg.), now known as *Cathetus stylosus *(Griff.) R.W. >>>> Bouman >>>> The image marked as C is *Phyllanthus gageanus *(Gamble) M.Mohanan, >>>> now known as *Nymphanthus gageanus *(Gamble) R.W. Bouman ex Chakrab. & >>>> N.P. Balakr. >>>> The image marked as D is the lectotype of *Phyllanthus roeperianus *Wall. >>>> ex Mull.Arg., now known as *Cathetus roeperianus *(Wall. ex Mull.Arg.) >>>> Chakrab. & N.P. Balakr. >>>> >>>> With regards, >>>> Tapas >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 4:26 PM Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is not at all P. macraei. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 16:24 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Tapas ji, >>>> What about its id as *Phyllanthus macraei* as per GBIF >>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5382353> specimen >>>> <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FU.1472314%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>>> and >>>> images at >>>> https://efloraofindia.com/2011/04/09/phyllanthus-macraei/ ? >>>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 at 16:11, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Two persons, one from Delhi University and the other from IISC >>>> Bangalore had contacted me for initial identifications of their specimens >>>> for initiating molecular studies. Unfortunately none of them have published >>>> their findings yet. One person published a new species, P. palakondensis. >>>> The other person from Delhi shared me images from three localities of TN >>>> and AP and asked me to name them. I found that the supposed morphological >>>> differences between P. gardnerianus and P. narayanswamii are not standing >>>> good due to presence of intermediate plants (images). However, P. simplex >>>> stands separate for its much narrower and thinner leaves and presence of >>>> bisexual cymules, absent in the other two. >>>> Meanwhile Bouman et al. (2022) recognized these species as distinct >>>> under the genus Cathetus. They had not studied DNA samples of P. >>>> narayanswamii. >>>> In concusion, in my opinion, morphologically P. naraynswamii is same as >>>> P. gardnerianus but different from P. simplex. >>>> I hope molecular data and field observations will eventually clarify >>>> the situation. >>>> With regards, >>>> Tapas >>>> >>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 15:48 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> This is not at all P. rangachariarii. Just now I noticed that the male >>>> sepals are 6. >>>> The characters of the plant point to very close alliance to Phyllanthus >>>> clarkei in almost all characters. But I have some doubts because P. clarkei >>>> in not known from peninsular India so far and the leaves here are stiffly >>>> coriaceous. The glands in male flowers appear to be 6 instead of 3. >>>> So, please study your plant very carefully once again and compare with >>>> P. clarkei (now called Cathetus clarkei). >>>> With regards, >>>> >>>> Tapas >>>> >>>> Even closer to P. gardnerianus but leaves sessile and thickly >>>> coriaceous.- from Tapas ji >>>> Thanks for pointing the mistake in id. You are absolutely correct it >>>> can't be *Phyllanthus rangachariarii* owing to the characters you >>>> mentioned i.e. 6 perianth and glands in male flowers instead of 4 in >>>> *P. rangachariarii*). Additionally my plant is much smaller is height >>>> not taller than 2 feets while *P. rangachariarii* is a much bigger >>>> shrub upto 2 metre tall. >>>> I also checked type material images available on BSI virtual herbarium, >>>> confirming the same. >>>> >>>> https://ivh.bsi.gov.in/phanerogams/en?search_bar=Phyllanthus+rangachariarii&selection=Scientific_Name >>>> With best regards >>>> >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> This must be *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble >>>> Under shrub upto 2 metre tall. Leaves alternative,sessile, elliptic >>>> coriaceous with thickened recurved margins. Perianth lobes 6 with 6 small >>>> glands in male flowers. Fruit capsule globose with verrucose glands. All >>>> these characters are matching with *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *Gamble >>>> So our plant is *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* Gamble, which is already >>>> reported from the Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve where I have clicked this >>>> plant. >>>> Tapas sir I hope the identity is correct now! >>>> With best regards >>>> >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> Syn. of *Phyllanthus virgatus *G.Forst. ? ? Looks different from >>>> images at >>>> http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3940&cat=7 >>>> ! >>>> Now , *Cathetus virgatus* (G.Forst.) R.W.Bouman ?? >>>> Please compare with *Phyllanthus macraei *Müll.Arg. . Now: *Cathetus >>>> rheedei* (Wight) R.W.Bouman >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%27s%2520Leaf-Flower.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FMacrae%2527s%2520Leaf-Flower.html&tbnid=y_CcsFWbZQlm0M&vet=12ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT..i&docid=ic-GNIA7lTEb8M&w=600&h=449&q=Phyllanthus%20macraei&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiMqv75s_P7AhVMhNgFHTQvB68QMygAegQIARBT >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> Someone recently united P. narayanswamii under P. virgatus but kept P. >>>> gardnerianus distinct. Bouman et al. (2022) maintained all as distinct. I >>>> am fully confused here. P. virgatus is a Pacific species while P. simplex >>>> is Asian. Someone recently informed me that P. narayanswsmii is distinct >>>> from P. gardnerianus by habit, habitat and DNA data. >>>> My studies based on specimens and images indicate that narayanswamii >>>> and gardnerianus should be merged but considering the confusions, I will >>>> not go for any taxonomic changes. Let someone clarify these 3 species with >>>> field data combined with DNA studies. >>>> With regards, >>>> >>>> Tapas >>>> Thanks for your valuable comments Tapas sir. I agree with your views >>>> and meanwhile someone clarify these 3 species based on field data combined >>>> with DNA/molecular studies, Garg ji in my opinion we should keep it as a >>>> separate species on our website under page *Phyllanthus narayanswamii* >>>> Gamble. >>>> Please note than Verwijs *et al.* 2019 while synonymizing P. >>>> *narayanswamii* under *P. virgatus* have also mentioned some >>>> difference "The nervature of the leaves on the type of *P. >>>> narayanswamii* differs a little bit from other specimens of* P. >>>> virgatus *in the prominent nervature on the lower side of the leaf >>>> blade". Also it is notable that when the publication of Verwijs *et >>>> al. *came in October 2019, at around same time (just two months before >>>> in August) came another publication in Phytotaxa entitled "Taxonomic and >>>> habitat update to *Phyllanthus narayanswamii *(Phyllanthaceae): an >>>> endemic and endangered species from southern India" which is not referred >>>> in the publication of Verwijs *et al. *because as I mentioned earlier >>>> they got published round same time*.* So before this publication only >>>> little data was available about *P. narayanswamii* with no any images, >>>> so who knows if the publication on *P. narayanswamii* taxonomic and >>>> habitat update would have came earlier, Verwijs *et al. m*ay have >>>> retained the distinct species status of *P. narayanswamii* as they >>>> retained the status of *P. gardnerianus* and *P. tararae. *They have >>>> also mentioned in their paper abstract that "The species complex around >>>> *Phyllanthus >>>> virgatus* remains taxonomically difficult" and we are suffering from >>>> the same thing here... >>>> Thanks and regards >>>> >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *Ashutosh Sharma* <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 at 12:35 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:438048] Phyllanthus rangachariarii Murugan, >>>> Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy submission AS27 December 22 >>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear members, >>>> >>>> Here's a new addition to eFloraofIndia website. >>>> >>>> *Phyllanthus rangachariari*i Murugan, Kabeer & G.V.S.Murthy >>>> Family - Phyllanthaceae >>>> >>>> This rare species is narrow endemic to Agasthyamala Biosphere Reserve, >>>> Tamil Nadu >>>> >>>> Photographed in Kanyakumari district, Tamil Nadu >>>> In November 2022 >>>> >>>> With best regards >>>> Ashutosh Sharma >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CADkfUKt28TAcaaX%3DCzaMzMYwZe6ugus_wLcj0DPvT71on6%2Brug%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2bd5e954-fce4-4f30-9df4-30b2b7551419n%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2bd5e954-fce4-4f30-9df4-30b2b7551419n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB7LkbvEtfTMguXZofMXmm%2BoOmBfXxCtMAzpbkiVjXNKg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFB7LkbvEtfTMguXZofMXmm%2BoOmBfXxCtMAzpbkiVjXNKg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRBkk3Wr23bns_YM1qxPbOxa%3DKR00af%3DbxsU%2BJDVr3gNg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRBkk3Wr23bns_YM1qxPbOxa%3DKR00af%3DbxsU%2BJDVr3gNg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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