Thanks for sharing the pic and link. I understood what you meant. I just imagine if those contractions and swelling are due to environmental factors or that is a consistent character of this taxa? because that character is also evident in image of the Lectotype. Undoubtedly Euphorbias are complicated!! Pankaj
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is my photograph where you can see both young and old branches in the > same plant. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Pankaj ji >> Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally >> running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight. >> >> >> http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860&osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 >> >> >> <http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860&osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4>If >> you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. >>> If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think >>> there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not >>> straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always >>> thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must >>> be having a better idea. >>> Thanks again. >>> Regards >>> Pankaj >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Muthu ji >>>> Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the >>>> matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems >>>> with straight wings. >>>> >>>> Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, >>>> but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any >>>> wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. >>>> neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often >>>> confused species >>>> >>>> >>>> 4 >>>> (3)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3> >>>> Stems >>>> ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield >>>> widely separated. 29 *E. >>>> neriifolia*<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321485> >>>> +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields >>>> often ± contiguous >>>> (5)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5> >>>> 5 >>>> (4)<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4> >>>> Stem >>>> 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. >>>> antiquorum*<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=220005106>+Stem >>>> 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. >>>> >>>> 31 *E. >>>> royleana<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321511> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242321511> >>>> ** >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most >>>>> interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, >>>>> Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with >>>>> two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our >>>>> information. >>>>> Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are >>>>> accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Dear Muthu >>>>> > Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. >>>>> > Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) >>>>> > Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) >>>>> > You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. >>>>> > >>>>> > There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your >>>>> > plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in >>>>> > South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to >>>>> > Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards >>>>> > Pankaj >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> >> From: Muthu Karthick <[email protected]> >>>>> >> Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm >>>>> >> Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. >>>>> >> To: efloraofindia >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dear all, >>>>> >> These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing >>>>> >> two >>>>> >> species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * >>>>> >> Euphorbia* spp. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. >>>>> >> antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species >>>>> is >>>>> >> different? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick <[email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>> Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence >>>>> colour. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> E. antqourum....nice picture of Praying mantis in the last >>>>> picture,preying >>>>> >>>> for prey[?] >>>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing.E antquorum is flowering all over Mumbai. >>>>> >>>> Usha Desai >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> On 1 February 2011 20:11, tanay bose <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> *Euphorbia antiquorum* >>>>> >>>>> ***Tanay >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Pardeshi S. < >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> the young inflorescence appears green. once the ivary is formed >>>>> it >>>>> >>>>>> would impart the reddish/ purplish tone. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>>> Satish Pardeshi >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 1, 4:31 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Muthu ji >>>>> >>>>>> > I would go with E. antiquurum, because the angles are >>>>> distinctly >>>>> >>>>>> 3-winged, >>>>> >>>>>> > the wings are running almost straight. In E. tortilis the >>>>> angles are >>>>> >>>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> > that promently winged, they are lobulate with stout paired >>>>> spines on >>>>> >>>>>> lobes, >>>>> >>>>>> > and most importantly the angles are spirally twisted like we >>>>> have in >>>>> >>>>>> E. >>>>> >>>>>> > neriifolia where of course the angles are not that prominents, >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> there are >>>>> >>>>>> > 5 spiral rows. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> > -- >>>>> >>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>> >>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> >>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> >>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Muthu Karthick < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > > Dear all, >>>>> >>>>>> > > descriptions match this thorny shrub as *Euphorbia >>>>> antiquorum*. I >>>>> >>>>>> suspect >>>>> >>>>>> > > this to be a different species owing to the colour of >>>>> flowers. >>>>> >>>>>> Please >>>>> >>>>>> > > help to solve this. >>>>> >>>>>> > > Could this be *E. tortilis*? >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> > > Location: Sathyamangalam wls; 300 msl >>>>> >>>>>> > > Date: 15 Dec 2010 >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>> > > -- >>>>> >>>>>> > > Muthu Karthick, N >>>>> >>>>>> > > Junior Research Fellow >>>>> >>>>>> > > Care Earth Trust >>>>> >>>>>> > > #15, second main road, >>>>> >>>>>> > > Thillai ganga nagar, >>>>> >>>>>> > > Chennai - 600 061 >>>>> >>>>>> > > Mob: 09626833911 >>>>> >>>>>> > >www.careearthtrust.org >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Tanay Bose* >>>>> >>>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>> >>>>> Department of Botany. >>>>> >>>>> University of British Columbia . >>>>> >>>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>> >>>>> Vancouver, B.C. 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Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
