Many thanks Gurcharan ji for digging into *Morinda* complex. The situation seems to be in a kind of flux.
With so much discussed, in my belief, Neha ji's plant is *Morinda pubescens*... synonym of *M. coreia*. Regards. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear H S > Perhaps you did not read my mail carefully > > I wrote (on the basis of KEW Plant List) that M. tomentosa Heyne ex Roth, > 1821 is synonym of M. citrifolia L., 1753.....that should be fine with > Principle of Priority > > I also wrote that on the basis of combinations cited by me M. tomentosa and > M. tinctoria var. tomentosa are two different plants and latter is synonym > of M. coreia (as per Kew List) > > If we have latest Database of 2010, citing earlier publications carries no > meaning in final solution. > > Please read my mail analysis carefully and suggest if you have any > improvements. > > I could not understand what you wanted to convey "Morinda tinctoria is not > glabrous either tomentose... which is > commonly found in Sanjay Gandhi National Park..." > > Leaves shining and glabrous on both > surfaces....................................Morinda citrifolia > Leaves tomentose on both > surfaces..................................................Morinda coreia > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:03 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Morinda tinctoria is not glabrous either tomentose... which is >> commonly found in Sanjay Gandhi National Park... though everyone merge >> M. tinctoria and M. pubescens.. >> >> M. tomentosa is in 1821 is earlier than M. coeria Buch.-Ham. is in >> 1822 . and M. tinctoria Roxb. is later in 1832. >> >> Hook.f. was first to change the rank.. infact he made many other var. >> in genus M. tinctoria >> >> According to Blatter, M. citrifolia is introduce species to India... >> >> I have seen M. citrifolia only in Cultivation... >> >> On 5/27/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Perhaps the easiest difference between the two species >> > >> > Leaves shining and glabrous on both >> > surfaces....................................Morinda citrifolia >> > Leaves tomentose on both >> > surfaces..................................................Morinda coreia >> > >> > In light of this above plant should be M. coreia >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Neil ji and Dinesh ji >> >> >> >> The link and discussion cited by Neil ji was dated in 2009, and lot has >> >> changed since the publication of KEW Plant List in 2010. It still >> contains >> >> some ambiguities but hope we will have to live with these for at least >> 2-3 >> >> years more till things are sorted out. >> >> >> >> The name Morinda pubescens Sm., according to Kew Plant List is unplaced >> >> name, yet to be resolved >> >> >> >> In Flora of British India, Sir J D Hooker, while naming the variety M. >> >> tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f. did cite M. tomentosa Heyne in Roth >> as >> >> the >> >> first synonym, but perhaps the two plants are different (Hooker also >> gave >> >> differentiating characters as leaves tomentose on both surfaces, >> peduncles >> >> leaf-opposed) and that is why the entry at Kew Plant List as well >> >> TROPICOS >> >> (and Fernandez, Trees of Mumbai, page 174, 1999--though I have not seen >> >> this) lists the variety as tomentosa Hook.f and not (Heyne ex Roth) >> >> Hook.f., >> >> similarly Fernandez while transferring this to species to *M. coreia* >> >> Buch.-Ham., >> >> names it as *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. var. *tomentosa *(Hook.f.) Fernandez >> >> and not *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. var. tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth) >> Fernandez. >> >> ......................This taxon (excluding M. tomentosa Hehne ex Roth) >> is >> >> according to KEW Plant List synonym of M. *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. In >> fact >> >> M. tinctoria Roxb. itself is synonym of *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham >> >> >> >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129800 >> >> >> >> >> >> The fact that two (*M. tinctoria* var. *tomentosa* Hook.f. and M. >> >> tomentosa Heyne ex Roth) are different is supported by the fact that >> *M. >> >> tomentosa* Heyne ex Roth is now considered as synonym of *M. >> citrifolia*L. >> >> >> >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129953 >> >> >> >> Perhaps both species (M. coreia and M. citrifolia) occur in India and a >> >> reliable recent key should help. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> Retired Associate Professor >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Neil Soares >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> Thought we had settled this issue. Please refer to this link: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/5927bedae08f10f4/d1f9f53b736d543e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Morinda+tomentosa+Neil+Soares#d1f9f53b736d543e >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Neil Soares. >> >>> >> >>> --- On *Thu, 5/26/11, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:70406] Re: Please identify this tree >> >>> To: "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]> >> >>> Cc: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]> >> >>> Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 11:36 PM >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Gurcharan ji ... *OR* did you imply *M. pubescens* is J. E. Sm is now >> >>> reduced to synonmy of *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. ? >> >>> Regards. >> >>> Dinesh >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Dinesh Valke >> >>> <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Gurcharan ji, >> >>> >> >>> 1) *M. tinctoria Roxb. var tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth.) Hook. f*. ... >> >>> synonym of *M. pubescens* J. E. Sm >> >>> 2) *M. tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f.* ... renamed as *M. coreia* >> var. >> >>> *tomentosa* (Hook. f.) R.R.Fernandez ... synonym of *M. >> coreia*Buch.-Ham. >> >>> >> >>> Wanting to clear my confusion ... hope these: 1) and 2) are distinct. >> >>> >> >>> Regards. >> >>> Dinesh >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Gurcharan Singh >> >>> <[email protected]< >> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> According to Kew Plant List Morinda tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f. >> was >> >>> renamed Morinda coreia var. >> >>> tomentosa<http://www.tropicos.org/Name/100225909> (Hook. >> >>> f.) R.R.Fernandez (TROPICOS information) in Trees of Mumbai 174, >> 1999. >> >>> This >> >>> is now considered as synonym of *Morinda* *coreia* Buch.-Ham. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129800 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>> Retired Associate Professor >> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:31 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think M. tinctoria Roxb. var tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth.) Hook. f. is >> syn >> >>> of M. pubescens J. E. Sm. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> - H.S. >> >>> >> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >> heart >> >>> of >> >>> stone >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> - H.S. >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of >> stone >> > > > >
