Sirji every thing is in mess if you see the work done by Kew Plant List in case of Morinda..
How can M. tomentosa can be syn. of M. citrifolia which has nothing to do with tomentose... i feel its a syn. of M. pubescens rather M. citrifolia. we need to dig out original descriptions given by original authors.. i feel Morinda tinctoria and M. pubescens are two distnct plant... here is nothing to do with M. citrifolia as it is exotic.. planted only in gardens... or for NONI... On 5/27/11, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks Gurcharan ji for digging into *Morinda* complex. > The situation seems to be in a kind of flux. > > With so much discussed, in my belief, Neha ji's plant is *Morinda > pubescens*... synonym of > *M. coreia*. > Regards. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear H S >> Perhaps you did not read my mail carefully >> >> I wrote (on the basis of KEW Plant List) that M. tomentosa Heyne ex Roth, >> 1821 is synonym of M. citrifolia L., 1753.....that should be fine with >> Principle of Priority >> >> I also wrote that on the basis of combinations cited by me M. tomentosa >> and >> M. tinctoria var. tomentosa are two different plants and latter is synonym >> of M. coreia (as per Kew List) >> >> If we have latest Database of 2010, citing earlier publications carries no >> meaning in final solution. >> >> Please read my mail analysis carefully and suggest if you have any >> improvements. >> >> I could not understand what you wanted to convey "Morinda tinctoria is not >> glabrous either tomentose... which is >> commonly found in Sanjay Gandhi National Park..." >> >> Leaves shining and glabrous on both >> surfaces....................................Morinda citrifolia >> Leaves tomentose on both >> surfaces..................................................Morinda coreia >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:03 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Morinda tinctoria is not glabrous either tomentose... which is >>> commonly found in Sanjay Gandhi National Park... though everyone merge >>> M. tinctoria and M. pubescens.. >>> >>> M. tomentosa is in 1821 is earlier than M. coeria Buch.-Ham. is in >>> 1822 . and M. tinctoria Roxb. is later in 1832. >>> >>> Hook.f. was first to change the rank.. infact he made many other var. >>> in genus M. tinctoria >>> >>> According to Blatter, M. citrifolia is introduce species to India... >>> >>> I have seen M. citrifolia only in Cultivation... >>> >>> On 5/27/11, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Perhaps the easiest difference between the two species >>> > >>> > Leaves shining and glabrous on both >>> > surfaces....................................Morinda citrifolia >>> > Leaves tomentose on both >>> > surfaces..................................................Morinda >>> > coreia >>> > >>> > In light of this above plant should be M. coreia >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > Retired Associate Professor >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> > >>> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Dear Neil ji and Dinesh ji >>> >> >>> >> The link and discussion cited by Neil ji was dated in 2009, and lot >>> >> has >>> >> changed since the publication of KEW Plant List in 2010. It still >>> contains >>> >> some ambiguities but hope we will have to live with these for at least >>> 2-3 >>> >> years more till things are sorted out. >>> >> >>> >> The name Morinda pubescens Sm., according to Kew Plant List is >>> >> unplaced >>> >> name, yet to be resolved >>> >> >>> >> In Flora of British India, Sir J D Hooker, while naming the variety >>> >> M. >>> >> tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f. did cite M. tomentosa Heyne in Roth >>> as >>> >> the >>> >> first synonym, but perhaps the two plants are different (Hooker also >>> gave >>> >> differentiating characters as leaves tomentose on both surfaces, >>> peduncles >>> >> leaf-opposed) and that is why the entry at Kew Plant List as well >>> >> TROPICOS >>> >> (and Fernandez, Trees of Mumbai, page 174, 1999--though I have not >>> >> seen >>> >> this) lists the variety as tomentosa Hook.f and not (Heyne ex Roth) >>> >> Hook.f., >>> >> similarly Fernandez while transferring this to species to *M. coreia* >>> >> Buch.-Ham., >>> >> names it as *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. var. *tomentosa *(Hook.f.) >>> >> Fernandez >>> >> and not *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. var. tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth) >>> Fernandez. >>> >> ......................This taxon (excluding M. tomentosa Hehne ex >>> >> Roth) >>> is >>> >> according to KEW Plant List synonym of M. *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. In >>> fact >>> >> M. tinctoria Roxb. itself is synonym of *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham >>> >> >>> >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129800 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The fact that two (*M. tinctoria* var. *tomentosa* Hook.f. and M. >>> >> tomentosa Heyne ex Roth) are different is supported by the fact that >>> *M. >>> >> tomentosa* Heyne ex Roth is now considered as synonym of *M. >>> citrifolia*L. >>> >> >>> >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129953 >>> >> >>> >> Perhaps both species (M. coreia and M. citrifolia) occur in India and >>> >> a >>> >> reliable recent key should help. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >> Retired Associate Professor >>> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Neil Soares >>> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thought we had settled this issue. Please refer to this link: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/5927bedae08f10f4/d1f9f53b736d543e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Morinda+tomentosa+Neil+Soares#d1f9f53b736d543e >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Soares. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 5/26/11, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:70406] Re: Please identify this tree >>> >>> To: "Gurcharan Singh" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Cc: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 11:36 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gurcharan ji ... *OR* did you imply *M. pubescens* is J. E. Sm is now >>> >>> reduced to synonmy of *M. coreia* Buch.-Ham. ? >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> >>> <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Gurcharan ji, >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) *M. tinctoria Roxb. var tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth.) Hook. f*. ... >>> >>> synonym of *M. pubescens* J. E. Sm >>> >>> 2) *M. tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f.* ... renamed as *M. coreia* >>> var. >>> >>> *tomentosa* (Hook. f.) R.R.Fernandez ... synonym of *M. >>> coreia*Buch.-Ham. >>> >>> >>> >>> Wanting to clear my confusion ... hope these: 1) and 2) are distinct. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> <[email protected]< >>> http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> According to Kew Plant List Morinda tinctoria var. tomentosa Hook.f. >>> was >>> >>> renamed Morinda coreia var. >>> >>> tomentosa<http://www.tropicos.org/Name/100225909> (Hook. >>> >>> f.) R.R.Fernandez (TROPICOS information) in Trees of Mumbai 174, >>> 1999. >>> >>> This >>> >>> is now considered as synonym of *Morinda* *coreia* Buch.-Ham. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129800 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:31 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I think M. tinctoria Roxb. var tomentosa (Heyne ex Roth.) Hook. f. is >>> syn >>> >>> of M. pubescens J. E. Sm. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> - H.S. >>> >>> >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>> heart >>> >>> of >>> >>> stone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of >>> stone >>> >> >> >> >> > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
