Dear H S It is not question of my or your liking. We have to live with the present and accept what the science today accepts. I have great respect for Fr. Santapau, and all other great taxonomists of India, but have to accept if some recent revisions based on advanced taxonomic research have relegated some taxa to synonymy. I have numerous new species and name changes to my publication list, some of these have been changed recently, but that does not mean I won't accept those changes. We may have our opinions, but it is the latest taxonomic treatment that counts. Bridelia in Flora Malesiana is one the most recent treatments and most authors will follow it.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > sirji both the species are very common in Maharashtra and different from > each other, than how can one say them or treat them as a single species... > atleast i am not satisfied with your explanation.. > > even Fr. Santapau and the Gehrm. treated these two different species, but > they called B. spinosa by Bridelia roxburghiana which is synonym of B. > spinosa Willd. > > regards, > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear H S >> Yes they may be two different trees, with some differences, but only an >> expert who has worked on specimens all over the wold can decide whether >> differences are enough to call them as different species or not, otherwise >> there would be no heterotypic synonym ever in this world. The simple fact >> that important recent publications treat them as synonms is enough to be >> satisfied. Perhaps the differences are considered even strong enough to call >> them as distinct varieties, although some earlier authors had done. Till we >> find any new publication which contradicts Flora Malesiana, I think we have >> to follow it. >> >> And yes Bridelia hamiltoniana Wall. ex Mull.Arch is a synonym of B. >> montana (Roxb.) Willd. >> >> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24576 >> >> So we have two B. retusa and B. montana. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> There is another: >>> *Bridelia hamiltoniana* Wall. ex Müll.Arg. (synonym of *Bridelia montana >>> * (Roxb.) Willd.) >>> >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Brideliahamiltoniana&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, In Maharashtra we see two Bridelia (tree) species one is >>>> Bridelia spinosa (Roxb.) Willd. (plant stems with spines, dioecious flower) >>>> and other one is Bridelia squamosa (Lamk.) Gehrm. (Plant without spines, >>>> monoecious flower) >>>> >>>> please anyone clarify this!!!!! >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Flora Malesiana, Dressler, Euphorbiaceae, treats both species (B. >>>>> squamosa (Lehm.) Gehrm. and B. spinosa (Roxb.) Willd.) as synonyms of B. >>>>> retusa (L.) A. Juss. Obviously they are same species. Flora Malesiana is >>>>> one >>>>> publication which can't be easily ignored. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> the plant list put B. squamosa as synonym and B. spinosa synonym of >>>>>> B. retusa... >>>>>> >>>>>> anyone pls clarify.. or we consider this all as one species >>>>>> following the plant list... >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> According to "the plant list" *Bridelia spinosa* (Roxb.) Willd. is a >>>>>>> synonym of *Bridelia* *retusa* (L.) A.Juss. >>>>>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24616 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 September 2011 22:50, Neil Soares <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> It is now called Bridelia spinosa. My trees are also flowering. >>>>>>>> Sending a few of my photographs. >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> Neil Soares. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/30/11, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:85014] ID 300911 >>>>>>>> To: "Bhatt Sweta" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 4:36 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The tiny flowers of this tree are really beautiful. I diagnose the >>>>>>>> plant by looking at the leaf which is very characteristic and >>>>>>>> unmistakable >>>>>>>> even from a distance. >>>>>>>> It is thick; leathery; the veins or nerves( I don't know what to >>>>>>>> call them correctly) are clear prominent and perfectly parallel >>>>>>>> originating >>>>>>>> from the mid vein. Of course the shape is important and the area of >>>>>>>> occurrence. Attaching some flowers captured recently in last fortnight >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> Mhatoba Tekdi Kothrud. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Bhatt Sweta >>>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Location Mumbai >>>>>>>> Flowering >>>>>>>> Date - September, 2011 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Bhatt Shweta* >>>>>>>> *Doctoral Research Student,* >>>>>>>> M.S.U. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>> India >>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - H.S. >>>> >>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>> of stone >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone > >
