Dear H S It is online. Here is the link http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/euphorbs/specB/Bridelia.htm
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:12 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Sirji, > i never said it is a topic of liking... we have two different species in > Maharashtra,, and i think many of the members (from maharashtra or Western > India) on the group also will agree with it.. > > I think We need to check with Original Description and type material > > I have not seen Flora of Malesiana.. so i don't know about the book. > > > regards, > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear H S >> It is not question of my or your liking. We have to live with the present >> and accept what the science today accepts. I have great respect for Fr. >> Santapau, and all other great taxonomists of India, but have to accept if >> some recent revisions based on advanced taxonomic research have relegated >> some taxa to synonymy. I have numerous new species and name changes to my >> publication list, some of these have been changed recently, but that does >> not mean I won't accept those changes. We may have our opinions, but it is >> the latest taxonomic treatment that counts. Bridelia in Flora Malesiana is >> one the most recent treatments and most authors will follow it. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> sirji both the species are very common in Maharashtra and different from >>> each other, than how can one say them or treat them as a single species... >>> atleast i am not satisfied with your explanation.. >>> >>> even Fr. Santapau and the Gehrm. treated these two different species, but >>> they called B. spinosa by Bridelia roxburghiana which is synonym of B. >>> spinosa Willd. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear H S >>>> Yes they may be two different trees, with some differences, but only an >>>> expert who has worked on specimens all over the wold can decide whether >>>> differences are enough to call them as different species or not, otherwise >>>> there would be no heterotypic synonym ever in this world. The simple fact >>>> that important recent publications treat them as synonms is enough to be >>>> satisfied. Perhaps the differences are considered even strong enough to >>>> call >>>> them as distinct varieties, although some earlier authors had done. Till we >>>> find any new publication which contradicts Flora Malesiana, I think we have >>>> to follow it. >>>> >>>> And yes Bridelia hamiltoniana Wall. ex Mull.Arch is a synonym of B. >>>> montana (Roxb.) Willd. >>>> >>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24576 >>>> >>>> So we have two B. retusa and B. montana. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is another: >>>>> *Bridelia hamiltoniana* Wall. ex Müll.Arg. (synonym of *Bridelia >>>>> montana* (Roxb.) Willd.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Brideliahamiltoniana&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, In Maharashtra we see two Bridelia (tree) species one is >>>>>> Bridelia spinosa (Roxb.) Willd. (plant stems with spines, dioecious >>>>>> flower) >>>>>> and other one is Bridelia squamosa (Lamk.) Gehrm. (Plant without spines, >>>>>> monoecious flower) >>>>>> >>>>>> please anyone clarify this!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora Malesiana, Dressler, Euphorbiaceae, treats both species (B. >>>>>>> squamosa (Lehm.) Gehrm. and B. spinosa (Roxb.) Willd.) as synonyms of B. >>>>>>> retusa (L.) A. Juss. Obviously they are same species. Flora Malesiana >>>>>>> is one >>>>>>> publication which can't be easily ignored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the plant list put B. squamosa as synonym and B. spinosa synonym of >>>>>>>> B. retusa... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anyone pls clarify.. or we consider this all as one species >>>>>>>> following the plant list... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> According to "the plant list" *Bridelia spinosa* (Roxb.) Willd. is >>>>>>>>> a synonym of *Bridelia* *retusa* (L.) A.Juss. >>>>>>>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24616 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 September 2011 22:50, Neil Soares <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> It is now called Bridelia spinosa. My trees are also flowering. >>>>>>>>>> Sending a few of my photographs. >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> Neil Soares. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/30/11, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>*wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:85014] ID 300911 >>>>>>>>>> To: "Bhatt Sweta" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 4:36 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The tiny flowers of this tree are really beautiful. I diagnose >>>>>>>>>> the plant by looking at the leaf which is very characteristic and >>>>>>>>>> unmistakable even from a distance. >>>>>>>>>> It is thick; leathery; the veins or nerves( I don't know what to >>>>>>>>>> call them correctly) are clear prominent and perfectly parallel >>>>>>>>>> originating >>>>>>>>>> from the mid vein. Of course the shape is important and the area of >>>>>>>>>> occurrence. Attaching some flowers captured recently in last >>>>>>>>>> fortnight from >>>>>>>>>> Mhatoba Tekdi Kothrud. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Bhatt Sweta < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Location Mumbai >>>>>>>>>> Flowering >>>>>>>>>> Date - September, 2011 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Bhatt Shweta* >>>>>>>>>> *Doctoral Research Student,* >>>>>>>>>> M.S.U. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of stone >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone > >
