Dear Sirji, i never said it is a topic of liking... we have two different species in Maharashtra,, and i think many of the members (from maharashtra or Western India) on the group also will agree with it..
I think We need to check with Original Description and type material I have not seen Flora of Malesiana.. so i don't know about the book. regards, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear H S > It is not question of my or your liking. We have to live with the present > and accept what the science today accepts. I have great respect for Fr. > Santapau, and all other great taxonomists of India, but have to accept if > some recent revisions based on advanced taxonomic research have relegated > some taxa to synonymy. I have numerous new species and name changes to my > publication list, some of these have been changed recently, but that does > not mean I won't accept those changes. We may have our opinions, but it is > the latest taxonomic treatment that counts. Bridelia in Flora Malesiana is > one the most recent treatments and most authors will follow it. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> sirji both the species are very common in Maharashtra and different from >> each other, than how can one say them or treat them as a single species... >> atleast i am not satisfied with your explanation.. >> >> even Fr. Santapau and the Gehrm. treated these two different species, but >> they called B. spinosa by Bridelia roxburghiana which is synonym of B. >> spinosa Willd. >> >> regards, >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear H S >>> Yes they may be two different trees, with some differences, but only an >>> expert who has worked on specimens all over the wold can decide whether >>> differences are enough to call them as different species or not, otherwise >>> there would be no heterotypic synonym ever in this world. The simple fact >>> that important recent publications treat them as synonms is enough to be >>> satisfied. Perhaps the differences are considered even strong enough to call >>> them as distinct varieties, although some earlier authors had done. Till we >>> find any new publication which contradicts Flora Malesiana, I think we have >>> to follow it. >>> >>> And yes Bridelia hamiltoniana Wall. ex Mull.Arch is a synonym of B. >>> montana (Roxb.) Willd. >>> >>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24576 >>> >>> So we have two B. retusa and B. montana. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> There is another: >>>> *Bridelia hamiltoniana* Wall. ex Müll.Arg. (synonym of *Bridelia >>>> montana* (Roxb.) Willd.) >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Brideliahamiltoniana&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear all, In Maharashtra we see two Bridelia (tree) species one is >>>>> Bridelia spinosa (Roxb.) Willd. (plant stems with spines, dioecious >>>>> flower) >>>>> and other one is Bridelia squamosa (Lamk.) Gehrm. (Plant without spines, >>>>> monoecious flower) >>>>> >>>>> please anyone clarify this!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Flora Malesiana, Dressler, Euphorbiaceae, treats both species (B. >>>>>> squamosa (Lehm.) Gehrm. and B. spinosa (Roxb.) Willd.) as synonyms of B. >>>>>> retusa (L.) A. Juss. Obviously they are same species. Flora Malesiana is >>>>>> one >>>>>> publication which can't be easily ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> the plant list put B. squamosa as synonym and B. spinosa synonym of >>>>>>> B. retusa... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> anyone pls clarify.. or we consider this all as one species >>>>>>> following the plant list... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to "the plant list" *Bridelia spinosa* (Roxb.) Willd. is >>>>>>>> a synonym of *Bridelia* *retusa* (L.) A.Juss. >>>>>>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-24616 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 September 2011 22:50, Neil Soares <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> It is now called Bridelia spinosa. My trees are also flowering. >>>>>>>>> Sending a few of my photographs. >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> Neil Soares. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On *Fri, 9/30/11, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:85014] ID 300911 >>>>>>>>> To: "Bhatt Sweta" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Cc: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, September 30, 2011, 4:36 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The tiny flowers of this tree are really beautiful. I diagnose the >>>>>>>>> plant by looking at the leaf which is very characteristic and >>>>>>>>> unmistakable >>>>>>>>> even from a distance. >>>>>>>>> It is thick; leathery; the veins or nerves( I don't know what to >>>>>>>>> call them correctly) are clear prominent and perfectly parallel >>>>>>>>> originating >>>>>>>>> from the mid vein. Of course the shape is important and the area of >>>>>>>>> occurrence. Attaching some flowers captured recently in last >>>>>>>>> fortnight from >>>>>>>>> Mhatoba Tekdi Kothrud. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Bhatt Sweta >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Location Mumbai >>>>>>>>> Flowering >>>>>>>>> Date - September, 2011 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Bhatt Shweta* >>>>>>>>> *Doctoral Research Student,* >>>>>>>>> M.S.U. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - H.S. >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of >> stone >> >> > > > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
