I think one has to check the "specimens" of both the "species" to conclude this. While I was searching for *Murraya*, I found that, *Murraya exotica* L. is the accepted name for GRIN with *Murraya paniculata*<http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?463825> auct. nonn. (just put your pointer here to know what is auct. non.or refer http://www.northernontarioflora.ca/definitions.cfm) as synonym
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?24702 and *Murraya paniculata* (L.) Jack. is the accepted name for "the plant list" with M. exotica L. as the synonym. Why they come to a different conclusion? Regards, Giby On 17 October 2011 21:49, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Vijaysankar ji > I am very much aware of eFlora of China and treatment in It, but let us > appreciate the fact that Flora of China is 1997 publication. I have > following to support my conclusion: > > The Plant list...............................................2010 > Wikipedia....................................................September, > 2011 > GRIN............................................................note on > Sept, 2011 based on *Beattie, A.* 2011. pers. comm. via E–mail to L. > Fowler on 15 Sept 2011. [re. *M. exotica* vs. *M. paniculata*]. > > Perhaps many more will follow. In my opinion two plants looking differently > does not make much difference. What is important are differences are > sufficient enough to merit distinction or merger. I believe in what > taxonomic World thinks currently. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> No HS ji, I am sure He won't neglect FoC's treatment. The editors of FoC >> also had the same opinion like ours, in both the cases Murraya and >> Flacourtia. We know that they are (the spp.) different. That's why when >> several Indian Floras treated them as synonyms, we could not agree. But >> someone does come with solutions, and now we are comfortable. Its matter of >> time. Thanks to the dynamic nature of plant systematics. Nothing is final! >> >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:53 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Vijay ji for sharing this,, >>> >>> but even i know that Sirji will not agree with this.. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Vijayasankar >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> We all know that Flora of China (FoC) is one of the most trusted >>>> efloras, and most of the time a ready reference for identifying our Indian >>>> plants, too. >>>> It treats *Murraya paniculata* and *M. exotica* as different species. >>>> We knew this based on our field experience. >>>> The differences, as per FoC are: [ >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=121339] >>>> >>>> Leaflet blades mostly suborbicular to ovate to elliptic, 1.5-6 cm wide* >>>> M. paniculata* >>>> Leaflet blades elliptic-obovate or obovate, 0.5-3 cm >>>> wide *M. exotica* >>>> >>>> These may appear to be variable characters if we refer only herbarium >>>> specimens. >>>> Some taxa for e.g. Flacourtia indica & F. romantchii, we know they are >>>> different based on their differences in habit, ecology etc., but its hard >>>> to >>>> find strong characters to distinguish them convincingly. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nothing can help one who does not want to see reason. Who can stop me >>>>> if I insist on believing that whole taxonomic World is wrong. Let those >>>>> who >>>>> want to live in their World be so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> If plant is different surely they will have some differences i >>>>>> guess... >>>>>> >>>>>> I think every one will agree that M. paniculata present in the wild as >>>>>> well as in cultivation whereas M. exotica or M. paniculata var. exotica >>>>>> or >>>>>> cv of M. paniculata whatever we say its commonly cultivated in the garden >>>>>> for the glossy laeves and beautiful flowers.. if its cv than who had made >>>>>> it???? no doubt they are different and in Maharashtra both can seen very >>>>>> commonly,, those who eager to see the species can visit Amboli, >>>>>> Mahabaleshwar, Mathera, Pune, Bhimashankar etc places to see M. >>>>>> paniculata >>>>>> and M. exotica in Nashik garden, Mumbai (Rani baug, Bombay trust garden, >>>>>> Gorai, Sanjay Gandhi National Park in Plantation near pond,, etc etc..), >>>>>> Kolhapur, Pune garden.. etc etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mahadeswara ji >>>>>>> For that that matter all species which have been described on the >>>>>>> basis of different holotypes would be different species, because they >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> have some differences. If we have that concept there would be no >>>>>>> heterotypic >>>>>>> synonyms and we will have more than 5 lac species of angiosperms on this >>>>>>> Earth, whereas most authors agree on this number being below 3 lacs. As >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have written earlier also Hortus Third (considered Bible for cultivated >>>>>>> plants), The Plant List, now even GRIN, and numerous other publications >>>>>>> treat them as synonyms, and we would be doing little service to ignore >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mahadeswara >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Vijayasankar ji and H.S.ji. Both are different >>>>>>>> species. Both these species are available in IIT Madras Campus >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> C L R I Campus, Adyar Chennai. While the M. paniculata is wild, >>>>>>>> M.exotica is cultivated. In photograph both the plants look like. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I am not in Chennai now. I had the photographs of >>>>>>>> both. I will try to dig out from the archives in due course and >>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>> it to the group (depends on getting the photographs) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 6:40 am, Balkar Arya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > Dear All >>>>>>>> > *Murraya paniculata* >>>>>>>> > *Family Rutaceae >>>>>>>> > * >>>>>>>> > *From Garden of PIET Campus Samalkha Panipat >>>>>>>> > *-- >>>>>>>> > Regards >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>>>>>> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>>>>>> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>>>>>> > Haryana-132103 >>>>>>>> > 09416262964 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (1).JPG >>>>>>>> > 175KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (2).JPG >>>>>>>> > 258KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (3).JPG >>>>>>>> > 240KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (4).JPG >>>>>>>> > 180KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (5).JPG >>>>>>>> > 214KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (6).JPG >>>>>>>> > 186KViewDownload >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Murraya paniculata (7).JPG >>>>>>>> > 201KViewDownload >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of stone >>> >>> >> > > > -- GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), Royal Enclave, Jakkur Post, Srirampura Bangalore- 560064 India Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby
