Here, in Bangalore also there are bigger and smaller plants both bear 2-4 paired leaflets.
Regards, Giby On 27 October 2011 20:52, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: > Agreed Gurcharan ji > We and Science (I mean Scientific community) require many more people with > similar mind as yours.Nothing should be taken for granted unless one > personally checks and satisfied about it. > I am ready to check the plant further. You have a valid point there. > I have not gone in details of the paper but will do so. > Regarding my plant.....I want to stress that There are quite a few plants > (So called Cassia uniflora ;attaching a picture) with similar looking > flowers and leaves. Some plants in the group are very small(^inches or so) > producing flowers and leaves very similar to these but only with two twigs > having two pairs of leaflets as in earlier posted picture. Can't a plant > have less number of leaflets? The pods are also seen in some which might be > helpful. > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes Giby ji >> Your plant has clearly four pairs of leaflets. This is what I have been >> stressing all through. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear Giby ji >>> I think you have gone through the paper for which I have sent the link. >>> When we are considering the introduced species we should rely more on the >>> Books pertaining to that area and not local floras. If you have gone through >>> the cited paper you will realize that key in the genus is often based on >>> number of leaflets as one character (besides others). This plant as Satish >>> ji has mentioned and seen in the photograph has only four leaflets, and >>> Satish ji has seen some with only two leaflets. How can we believe an >>> introduced weed which is supposed to have generally 4 pairs of leaflets (3-5 >>> pairs) can have only 2-4 leaflets in our area, Please give serious thought >>> to it. I am attaching the paper in case you did not read it. >>> >>> And yes if I am providing you the detailed nomenclature I must be knowing >>> all its synonyms including C. sericea,, >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Gurcharan ji, >>>> >>>> *Senna uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barne has several synonyms as per >>>> the plant list (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/ild-21536) and >>>> *Cassia >>>> sericea* is one among them. >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *C. sericea *has been mentioned in several flora books such as Flora of >>>> Coorg (Murthy & Yoganarasimhan, 1990), Flora of Udupi (Bhat, 2003) >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> I too got this plant recently and photographed in detail from Bangalore. >>>> I shall upload them soon. I have identified my *specimen *by running >>>> the key as *C. sericea *and while checking the name in the plant list I >>>> found that this is *S. uniflora* now. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Giby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 October 2011 14:50, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry Satish ji >>>>> Some mix up in formatting earlier. here is correct form >>>>> >>>>> Dear Satish ji >>>>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few >>>>> things before taking a final decision. >>>>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>>>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>>>> leaflets that you write. >>>>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in >>>>> India (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic >>>>> changes in India over a short period of time. >>>>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>>>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 pairs. >>>>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>>>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are >>>>> using >>>>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>>>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>>>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The description >>>>> of >>>>> two is poles apart. >>>>> >>>>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the plants >>>>> and then decide. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf<http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208%285%29%20525-527.pdf> >>>>> >>>>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>>>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and also a >>>>> gland between the leaflets. >>>>> >>>>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India including >>>>> Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members may soon find >>>>> specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Satish ji >>>>>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few >>>>>> things before taking a final decision. >>>>>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>>>>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>>>>> leaflets that you write. >>>>>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in >>>>>> India (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic >>>>>> changes in India over a short period of time. >>>>>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>>>>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 pairs. >>>>>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>>>>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are >>>>>> using >>>>>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>>>>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>>>>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The >>>>>> description of >>>>>> two is poles apart. >>>>>> >>>>>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the >>>>>> plants and then decide. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf<http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208%285%29%20525-527.pdf> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>>>>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and also >>>>>> a >>>>>> gland between the leaflets. >>>>>> >>>>>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India including >>>>>> Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members may soon >>>>>> find >>>>>> specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Satish Phadke >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes I remember Aparna Watve ji had told me about the commonest >>>>>>> similar looking plant without glands is Cassia tora. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes this is *Cassia uniflora** *now known as *Senna* *uniflora* (Mill.) >>>>>>>> H.S.Irwin & Barneby. >>>>>>>> If you check the compound leaves carefully, you can see the stalked >>>>>>>> yellow glands on the rachis in between leaflets (mostly with basal 1-2 >>>>>>>> pairs). If they (stalked yellow glands) are not there in any of the >>>>>>>> leaves >>>>>>>> this can be some other species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 October 2011 12:49, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I rechecked about similar plants in the vicinity. >>>>>>>>> I agree with Rajdeo singh ji >>>>>>>>> This appears to be a small plant of *Cassia uniflora* only. >>>>>>>>> Similar small plants were showing two leflets each but the >>>>>>>>> characters of leaves appear close to *C.uniflora* rather than * >>>>>>>>> C.absus*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Satish Phadke < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping a watch on the interesting discussion and learning >>>>>>>>>> through this. >>>>>>>>>> All comments are welcome. >>>>>>>>>> There were several plants in the area all about 6 inches or so >>>>>>>>>> tall They had two pairs of leaflets each.......prompting me about the >>>>>>>>>> identity of *S.absus* >>>>>>>>>> If I happen to visit the area again I will try to extract some >>>>>>>>>> more characters. Would any one like to suggest to check for some >>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>> character Pl. let me know. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dr Phadke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cassia absus never come in Single flower >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Friends >>>>>>>>>>>> To me it again appears to be a case where we are discussing the >>>>>>>>>>>> identity of a plant without considering authority. >>>>>>>>>>>> It also highlights the fact that many of us give our decisions >>>>>>>>>>>> without trying to justify our decision or negate others' conclusion >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let me first point out that there is no accepted name such as >>>>>>>>>>>> Chamaecrista uniflora, nor any accepted species name Cassia >>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now coming back to Cassia uniflora, there are two taxa by that >>>>>>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Cassia uniflora Mill., characterised by 5-9 leaflets, flowers >>>>>>>>>>>> 2-6 together. This is now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>>>> *Senna* *uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>> http://achutha.net/WeedWatch.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Senna uniflora Spreng., a very distinct plant with four >>>>>>>>>>>> leaflets arranged like a cross and with single flower. this is now >>>>>>>>>>>> correctly >>>>>>>>>>>> known as >>>>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *ramosa* (Vogel) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/28-chamaecrista_ramosa >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think Vijayasankar ji is correct in saying that Senna uniflora >>>>>>>>>>>> is the plant already discussed on our website for which he has >>>>>>>>>>>> provided the >>>>>>>>>>>> link. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And till we find a better choice, the best match is still Cassia >>>>>>>>>>>> absus L. now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *absus* (L.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, H S <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all are C. uniflora >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Rajdeo ji, it is not Cassia absus. If it is C. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora, then the correct genus is Senna (S. uniflora), but to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't look like S. uniflora either. Pl c this link >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/669102a1420b541f?fwc=1&hl=en >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, H S <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct genus for this plant is Chamaecrista >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:19 AM, rajdeo singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Satish ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not Cassia absus, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its Cassia uniflora. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajdeo Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Project fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> St. Xavier's College, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>> Royal Enclave, >>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>> India >>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr Satish Phadke > -- GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), Royal Enclave, Jakkur Post, Srirampura Bangalore- 560064 India Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby
