Yes Giby ji Your plant has clearly four pairs of leaflets. This is what I have been stressing all through.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Giby ji > I think you have gone through the paper for which I have sent the link. > When we are considering the introduced species we should rely more on the > Books pertaining to that area and not local floras. If you have gone through > the cited paper you will realize that key in the genus is often based on > number of leaflets as one character (besides others). This plant as Satish > ji has mentioned and seen in the photograph has only four leaflets, and > Satish ji has seen some with only two leaflets. How can we believe an > introduced weed which is supposed to have generally 4 pairs of leaflets (3-5 > pairs) can have only 2-4 leaflets in our area, Please give serious thought > to it. I am attaching the paper in case you did not read it. > > And yes if I am providing you the detailed nomenclature I must be knowing > all its synonyms including C. sericea,, > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Giby Kuriakose > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Gurcharan ji, >> >> *Senna uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barne has several synonyms as per >> the plant list (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/ild-21536) and *Cassia >> sericea* is one among them. >> * >> * >> *C. sericea *has been mentioned in several flora books such as Flora of >> Coorg (Murthy & Yoganarasimhan, 1990), Flora of Udupi (Bhat, 2003) etc. >> >> I too got this plant recently and photographed in detail from Bangalore. I >> shall upload them soon. I have identified my *specimen *by running the >> key as *C. sericea *and while checking the name in the plant list I found >> that this is *S. uniflora* now. >> >> >> Regards >> Giby >> >> >> >> >> On 27 October 2011 14:50, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry Satish ji >>> Some mix up in formatting earlier. here is correct form >>> >>> Dear Satish ji >>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few things >>> before taking a final decision. >>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>> leaflets that you write. >>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in India >>> (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic changes in >>> India over a short period of time. >>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 pairs. >>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are using >>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The description of >>> two is poles apart. >>> >>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the plants >>> and then decide. >>> >>> >>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf >>> >>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and also a >>> gland between the leaflets. >>> >>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India including >>> Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members may soon find >>> specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Satish ji >>>> Thanks for your conclusion, but I would like you to consider a few >>>> things before taking a final decision. >>>> I have not seen this plant in nature myself but judging from the >>>> available information, I fear it never has 4 leaflets, not to say of 2 >>>> leaflets that you write. >>>> Senna uniflora is an American weed, and only recently introduced in >>>> India (Not reported in FBI), and we can't expect it to undergo drastic >>>> changes in India over a short period of time. >>>> From all sources of information the species usually has 4 pairs of >>>> leaflets (and not 4 leaflets) though the number may varry from 3-5 pairs. >>>> Some identifications get fixed in mind and difficult to forget. My >>>> colleagues would fight with me when I would tell them spinach they are >>>> using >>>> in their practicals is not Spinaceae oleracea, rather leafy vegetable a >>>> variety of Beta vulgaris. It took me more than 10 years to make them >>>> understand when they gave this plant in taxonomy classes. The description >>>> of >>>> two is poles apart. >>>> >>>> I request you to kindly go through the attached paper, study the plants >>>> and then decide. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/6352/1/NPR%208(5)%20525-527.pdf >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> I am not saying that this is Senna absus, but just for infrmation S. >>>> absus is a species long established in India, has four leaflets and also a >>>> gland between the leaflets. >>>> >>>> Senna unflora has been introduced in in many places in India including >>>> Pune, Karanataka and other places, and you and other members may soon find >>>> specimens with true S. uniflora characters. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I remember Aparna Watve ji had told me about the commonest similar >>>>> looking plant without glands is Cassia tora. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes this is *Cassia uniflora** *now known as *Senna* *uniflora* (Mill.) >>>>>> H.S.Irwin & Barneby. >>>>>> If you check the compound leaves carefully, you can see the stalked >>>>>> yellow glands on the rachis in between leaflets (mostly with basal 1-2 >>>>>> pairs). If they (stalked yellow glands) are not there in any of the >>>>>> leaves >>>>>> this can be some other species. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Giby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 October 2011 12:49, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I rechecked about similar plants in the vicinity. >>>>>>> I agree with Rajdeo singh ji >>>>>>> This appears to be a small plant of *Cassia uniflora* only. >>>>>>> Similar small plants were showing two leflets each but the characters >>>>>>> of leaves appear close to *C.uniflora* rather than *C.absus*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am keeping a watch on the interesting discussion and learning >>>>>>>> through this. >>>>>>>> All comments are welcome. >>>>>>>> There were several plants in the area all about 6 inches or so tall >>>>>>>> They had two pairs of leaflets each.......prompting me about the >>>>>>>> identity of >>>>>>>> *S.absus* >>>>>>>> If I happen to visit the area again I will try to extract some more >>>>>>>> characters. Would any one like to suggest to check for some specific >>>>>>>> character Pl. let me know. >>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards. >>>>>>>> Dr Phadke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:05 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cassia absus never come in Single flower >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Friends >>>>>>>>>> To me it again appears to be a case where we are discussing the >>>>>>>>>> identity of a plant without considering authority. >>>>>>>>>> It also highlights the fact that many of us give our decisions >>>>>>>>>> without trying to justify our decision or negate others' conclusion >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me first point out that there is no accepted name such as >>>>>>>>>> Chamaecrista uniflora, nor any accepted species name Cassia uniflora >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now coming back to Cassia uniflora, there are two taxa by that >>>>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Cassia uniflora Mill., characterised by 5-9 leaflets, flowers >>>>>>>>>> 2-6 together. This is now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>> *Senna* *uniflora* (Mill.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>> http://achutha.net/WeedWatch.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Senna uniflora Spreng., a very distinct plant with four >>>>>>>>>> leaflets arranged like a cross and with single flower. this is now >>>>>>>>>> correctly >>>>>>>>>> known as >>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *ramosa* (Vogel) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://floredeguyane.piwigo.com/index?/category/28-chamaecrista_ramosa >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think Vijayasankar ji is correct in saying that Senna uniflora >>>>>>>>>> is the plant already discussed on our website for which he has >>>>>>>>>> provided the >>>>>>>>>> link. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And till we find a better choice, the best match is still Cassia >>>>>>>>>> absus L. now correctly known as >>>>>>>>>> *Chamaecrista* *absus* (L.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> all are C. uniflora >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Rajdeo ji, it is not Cassia absus. If it is C. >>>>>>>>>>>> uniflora, then the correct genus is Senna (S. uniflora), but to me >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't look like S. uniflora either. Pl c this link >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/669102a1420b541f?fwc=1&hl=en >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:37 AM, H S <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct genus for this plant is Chamaecrista >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:19 AM, rajdeo singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Satish ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not Cassia absus, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its Cassia uniflora. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajdeo Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Project fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> St. Xavier's College, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mumbai >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a >>>>>>>>>>>>> mere heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>> India >>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >> Royal Enclave, >> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >> Bangalore- 560064 >> India >> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >> > > > >
