Good morning Surajit ji, I think I am seeing 6 carpels, which confirm Dr. Narasimha Reddy's id: Tiliacora acuminata. Thanks a lot for the follow-up and nice, detailed pictures!
Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Good morning Vijayasankar Ji, > > Yesterday, i have recorded the pictures of what appears to me as female > flower of this plant. The flower is too small to give me clear pictures. > > Thank you & regards, > > Surajit Koley > > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Surajit ji, >> >> I think I created lots of confusion in this thread :( >> Sorry for that :) >> After study, I tend to agree with your conclusion - Tiliacora acuminata, >> as earlier identified by Dr. Narasimha Reddy. >> The plants of both these species are more or less comparable and are also >> highly variable, hence the confusion. >> However, the differences are said to be: >> Leaves pinnately nerved, acuminate at apex; carpels 6-9 ---> *Tiliacora >> acuminata >> * Leaves palmately nerved, acute, obtuse or retuse at apex; carpels >> 3 ---> *Pachygone ovata* >> >> Thanks to Giby for the additional flower feature that I was not aware. >> Please check the number of carpels in your plant when possible. >> >> Note: The picture in the flickr & wiki links provided by you is probably >> incorrectly identified as *Pachygone*. It looks like a *Dioscorea *species >> to me. >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir / Madam, >>> >>> A search in the "ENVIS Centre of Medicinal Plants" ( >>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php) yields following results :- >>> >>> - distribution of *Pachygone ovata* restricted to South India - >>> >>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=pachygone+ovata&gesp=2486%7CPachygone+ovata+%28POIR.%29+HOOK.F.+%26+THOMS. >>> - a herbarium of *Pachygone ovata* available at - >>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2486 >>> - a herbarium for *Tiliacora acuminata* is available at - >>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2584 sourced from >>> >>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=tiliacora+acuminata&gesp=2584%7CTiliacora+acuminata+MIERS >>> >>> more on *Pachygone ovata* - >>> >>> 1. distribution in India - >>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?418434 >>> 2. soil quality - http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/2940 >>> 3. a picture in flickr - >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45835639@N04/5211939792/ and same pic >>> in wiki - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachygone >>> >>> more on *Tiliacora acuminata* - >>> >>> 1. a sketch - >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=115772&flora_id=5 >>> 2. description - >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>> >>> >>> The plant in my post more close to *Tiliacora acuminata* than *Pachygone >>> ovata*. >>> >>> >>> Thank you & Regards, >>> >>> Surajit Koley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> According to Gamble, the key character differentiating Pachygone and >>>> Tiliacora is the flower opening... >>>> Flower opening down the sides..... Tiliacora >>>> Flower opening across the tip....... Pachygone >>>> >>>> Leaf characters are not mentioned by Gamble! >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Giby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 June 2012 22:35, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> >>>>> I have recorded the fruits of the same plant today. I am grateful to >>>>> all of you for introducing me to a new family that i didn't know earlier. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dr K.N.Reddy >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ** >>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is falls under *Tiliacora acuminata* only. In Pachygone leaf tip >>>>>> is mucronate. Here the leaves are having acuminate tip. >>>>>> >>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* jmgarg1 <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; surajit >>>>>> koley <[email protected]> ; Dr >>>>>> K.N.Reddy<[email protected]>; Vijayasankar >>>>>> Raman <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:49 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from >>>>>> Hooghly 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please. >>>>>> Some earlierrelevant feedback: >>>>>> “Please *check with Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. Is it commonly available in West >>>>>> Benagal? >>>>>> With Regards >>>>>> K.N. Reddy” >>>>>> >>>>>> "However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Surajit Koley" >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 19 May 2012 00:27 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from Hooghly >>>>>> 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>> To: kamasani narasimhareddy <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: [email protected], "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, >>>>>> Muthu Karthick <[email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> First, i must confess that i cannot help but calling myself 'a fool'! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have excuses though : a) so few online data is available regarding >>>>>> wild species of India, specially if it does not bear attractive flowers >>>>>> or >>>>>> fruits, b) almost no image is available so that it could help a >>>>>> layperson... etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>> >>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM, kamasani narasimhareddy < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Surajit Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please check with *Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. >>>>>>> Is it commonly available in West Benagal? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K.N. 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