Thank you very much Giby Sir for your wonderful feedback. It will really keep me going so that i could learn a thing or two. Otherwise i loose my nerves sometimes.
Regards, Surajit Koley On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear all, > > Very interesting thread. > Wonderful follow through. > Good learning. > Thanks Surjith ji for your keen interest and very clear pictures with all > necessary characters. > I haven't got any information on leaves from Gamble (I only had Gamble as > a reference then). > Thanks dear Vijay for additional information that was very clear. > I think this thread highlights the importance of such interactions on > identifying, especially, similar looking/confusing species. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > Giby > > > > > On 19 June 2012 08:28, Vijayasankar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Good morning Surajit ji, >> >> I think I am seeing 6 carpels, which confirm Dr. Narasimha Reddy's id: >> Tiliacora acuminata. >> Thanks a lot for the follow-up and nice, detailed pictures! >> >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good morning Vijayasankar Ji, >>> >>> Yesterday, i have recorded the pictures of what appears to me as female >>> flower of this plant. The flower is too small to give me clear pictures. >>> >>> Thank you & regards, >>> >>> Surajit Koley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Vijayasankar >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Surajit ji, >>>> >>>> I think I created lots of confusion in this thread :( >>>> Sorry for that :) >>>> After study, I tend to agree with your conclusion - Tiliacora >>>> acuminata, as earlier identified by Dr. Narasimha Reddy. >>>> The plants of both these species are more or less comparable and are >>>> also highly variable, hence the confusion. >>>> However, the differences are said to be: >>>> Leaves pinnately nerved, acuminate at apex; carpels 6-9 ---> >>>> *Tiliacora >>>> acuminata >>>> * Leaves palmately nerved, acute, obtuse or retuse at apex; >>>> carpels 3 ---> *Pachygone ovata* >>>> >>>> Thanks to Giby for the additional flower feature that I was not aware. >>>> Please check the number of carpels in your plant when possible. >>>> >>>> Note: The picture in the flickr & wiki links provided by you is >>>> probably incorrectly identified as *Pachygone*. It looks like a *Dioscorea >>>> *species to me. >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir / Madam, >>>>> >>>>> A search in the "ENVIS Centre of Medicinal Plants" ( >>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php) yields following results >>>>> :- >>>>> >>>>> - distribution of *Pachygone ovata* restricted to South India - >>>>> >>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=pachygone+ovata&gesp=2486%7CPachygone+ovata+%28POIR.%29+HOOK.F.+%26+THOMS. >>>>> - a herbarium of *Pachygone ovata* available at - >>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2486 >>>>> - a herbarium for *Tiliacora acuminata* is available at - >>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2584 sourced from >>>>> >>>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=tiliacora+acuminata&gesp=2584%7CTiliacora+acuminata+MIERS >>>>> >>>>> more on *Pachygone ovata* - >>>>> >>>>> 1. distribution in India - >>>>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?418434 >>>>> 2. soil quality - >>>>> http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/2940 >>>>> 3. a picture in flickr - >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45835639@N04/5211939792/ and same pic >>>>> in wiki - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachygone >>>>> >>>>> more on *Tiliacora acuminata* - >>>>> >>>>> 1. a sketch - >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=115772&flora_id=5 >>>>> 2. description - >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The plant in my post more close to *Tiliacora acuminata* than *Pachygone >>>>> ovata*. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> According to Gamble, the key character differentiating Pachygone and >>>>>> Tiliacora is the flower opening... >>>>>> Flower opening down the sides..... Tiliacora >>>>>> Flower opening across the tip....... Pachygone >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaf characters are not mentioned by Gamble! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Giby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 June 2012 22:35, surajit koley >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have recorded the fruits of the same plant today. I am grateful to >>>>>>> all of you for introducing me to a new family that i didn't know >>>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dr K.N.Reddy < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** >>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is falls under *Tiliacora acuminata* only. In Pachygone leaf >>>>>>>> tip is mucronate. Here the leaves are having acuminate tip. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> *From:* jmgarg1 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> koley <[email protected]> ; Dr >>>>>>>> K.N.Reddy<[email protected]>; Vijayasankar >>>>>>>> Raman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:49 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from >>>>>>>> Hooghly 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please. >>>>>>>> Some earlierrelevant feedback: >>>>>>>> “Please *check with Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. Is it commonly available in West >>>>>>>> Benagal? >>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>> K.N. Reddy” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Surajit Koley" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 19 May 2012 00:27 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from >>>>>>>> Hooghly 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>>> To: kamasani narasimhareddy <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Cc: [email protected], "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, >>>>>>>> Muthu Karthick <[email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, i must confess that i cannot help but calling myself 'a >>>>>>>> fool'! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have excuses though : a) so few online data is available >>>>>>>> regarding wild species of India, specially if it does not bear >>>>>>>> attractive >>>>>>>> flowers or fruits, b) almost no image is available so that it could >>>>>>>> help a >>>>>>>> layperson... etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM, kamasani narasimhareddy < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please check with *Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. >>>>>>>>> Is it commonly available in West Benagal? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>>>> Research Scientist >>>>>>>>> Laila R&D CentreUnit-1, Phase-III, Jawahar Autonagar, >>>>>>>>> Vijayawada-520 007 >>>>>>>>> Andhra Pradesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also >>>>>>>> use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with >>>>>>>> each image. >>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1860 >>>>>>>> members & 1,15,000 messages on 30/4/12) or Efloraofindia website: >>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species >>>>>>>> database of more than 6500 species). >>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>>>> of India'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>> India >>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 +919947109987 (Mobile) >>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), > Royal Enclave, > Jakkur Post, Srirampura > Bangalore- 560064 > India > Phone - +91 9448714856 +919947109987 (Mobile) > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >
