Dear all, Very interesting thread. Wonderful follow through. Good learning. Thanks Surjith ji for your keen interest and very clear pictures with all necessary characters. I haven't got any information on leaves from Gamble (I only had Gamble as a reference then). Thanks dear Vijay for additional information that was very clear. I think this thread highlights the importance of such interactions on identifying, especially, similar looking/confusing species.
Thanks and Regards, Giby On 19 June 2012 08:28, Vijayasankar <[email protected]> wrote: > Good morning Surajit ji, > > I think I am seeing 6 carpels, which confirm Dr. Narasimha Reddy's id: > Tiliacora acuminata. > Thanks a lot for the follow-up and nice, detailed pictures! > > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good morning Vijayasankar Ji, >> >> Yesterday, i have recorded the pictures of what appears to me as female >> flower of this plant. The flower is too small to give me clear pictures. >> >> Thank you & regards, >> >> Surajit Koley >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Vijayasankar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Surajit ji, >>> >>> I think I created lots of confusion in this thread :( >>> Sorry for that :) >>> After study, I tend to agree with your conclusion - Tiliacora acuminata, >>> as earlier identified by Dr. Narasimha Reddy. >>> The plants of both these species are more or less comparable and are >>> also highly variable, hence the confusion. >>> However, the differences are said to be: >>> Leaves pinnately nerved, acuminate at apex; carpels 6-9 ---> *Tiliacora >>> acuminata >>> * Leaves palmately nerved, acute, obtuse or retuse at apex; carpels >>> 3 ---> *Pachygone ovata* >>> >>> Thanks to Giby for the additional flower feature that I was not aware. >>> Please check the number of carpels in your plant when possible. >>> >>> Note: The picture in the flickr & wiki links provided by you is probably >>> incorrectly identified as *Pachygone*. It looks like a *Dioscorea *species >>> to me. >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Vijayasankar Raman >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir / Madam, >>>> >>>> A search in the "ENVIS Centre of Medicinal Plants" ( >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php) yields following results >>>> :- >>>> >>>> - distribution of *Pachygone ovata* restricted to South India - >>>> >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=pachygone+ovata&gesp=2486%7CPachygone+ovata+%28POIR.%29+HOOK.F.+%26+THOMS. >>>> - a herbarium of *Pachygone ovata* available at - >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2486 >>>> - a herbarium for *Tiliacora acuminata* is available at - >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2584 sourced from >>>> >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=tiliacora+acuminata&gesp=2584%7CTiliacora+acuminata+MIERS >>>> >>>> more on *Pachygone ovata* - >>>> >>>> 1. distribution in India - >>>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?418434 >>>> 2. soil quality - http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/2940 >>>> 3. a picture in flickr - >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45835639@N04/5211939792/ and same pic >>>> in wiki - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachygone >>>> >>>> more on *Tiliacora acuminata* - >>>> >>>> 1. a sketch - >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=115772&flora_id=5 >>>> 2. description - >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>> >>>> >>>> The plant in my post more close to *Tiliacora acuminata* than *Pachygone >>>> ovata*. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>> >>>> Surajit Koley >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> According to Gamble, the key character differentiating Pachygone and >>>>> Tiliacora is the flower opening... >>>>> Flower opening down the sides..... Tiliacora >>>>> Flower opening across the tip....... Pachygone >>>>> >>>>> Leaf characters are not mentioned by Gamble! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Giby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13 June 2012 22:35, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have recorded the fruits of the same plant today. I am grateful to >>>>>> all of you for introducing me to a new family that i didn't know earlier. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dr K.N.Reddy <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is falls under *Tiliacora acuminata* only. In Pachygone leaf tip >>>>>>> is mucronate. Here the leaves are having acuminate tip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* jmgarg1 <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> koley <[email protected]> ; Dr >>>>>>> K.N.Reddy<[email protected]>; Vijayasankar >>>>>>> Raman <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:49 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from >>>>>>> Hooghly 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please. >>>>>>> Some earlierrelevant feedback: >>>>>>> “Please *check with Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. Is it commonly available in West >>>>>>> Benagal? >>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>> K.N. Reddy” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Surajit Koley" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 19 May 2012 00:27 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from Hooghly >>>>>>> 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>> To: kamasani narasimhareddy <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Cc: [email protected], "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, >>>>>>> Muthu Karthick <[email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, i must confess that i cannot help but calling myself 'a fool'! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have excuses though : a) so few online data is available regarding >>>>>>> wild species of India, specially if it does not bear attractive flowers >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> fruits, b) almost no image is available so that it could help a >>>>>>> layperson... etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM, kamasani narasimhareddy < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please check with *Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. >>>>>>>> Is it commonly available in West Benagal? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>>> Research Scientist >>>>>>>> Laila R&D CentreUnit-1, Phase-III, Jawahar Autonagar, >>>>>>>> Vijayawada-520 007 >>>>>>>> Andhra Pradesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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