Thank you very much Vijayasankar Ji for confirming. It's sad that nobody in my locality, including myself, knows its Bengali name, yet it's very common here.
Regards, Surajit Koley On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > Good morning Surajit ji, > > I think I am seeing 6 carpels, which confirm Dr. Narasimha Reddy's id: > Tiliacora acuminata. > Thanks a lot for the follow-up and nice, detailed pictures! > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good morning Vijayasankar Ji, >> >> Yesterday, i have recorded the pictures of what appears to me as female >> flower of this plant. The flower is too small to give me clear pictures. >> >> Thank you & regards, >> >> Surajit Koley >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Vijayasankar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Surajit ji, >>> >>> I think I created lots of confusion in this thread :( >>> Sorry for that :) >>> After study, I tend to agree with your conclusion - Tiliacora acuminata, >>> as earlier identified by Dr. Narasimha Reddy. >>> The plants of both these species are more or less comparable and are >>> also highly variable, hence the confusion. >>> However, the differences are said to be: >>> Leaves pinnately nerved, acuminate at apex; carpels 6-9 ---> *Tiliacora >>> acuminata >>> * Leaves palmately nerved, acute, obtuse or retuse at apex; carpels >>> 3 ---> *Pachygone ovata* >>> >>> Thanks to Giby for the additional flower feature that I was not aware. >>> Please check the number of carpels in your plant when possible. >>> >>> Note: The picture in the flickr & wiki links provided by you is probably >>> incorrectly identified as *Pachygone*. It looks like a *Dioscorea *species >>> to me. >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Vijayasankar Raman >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir / Madam, >>>> >>>> A search in the "ENVIS Centre of Medicinal Plants" ( >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php) yields following results >>>> :- >>>> >>>> - distribution of *Pachygone ovata* restricted to South India - >>>> >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=pachygone+ovata&gesp=2486%7CPachygone+ovata+%28POIR.%29+HOOK.F.+%26+THOMS. >>>> - a herbarium of *Pachygone ovata* available at - >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2486 >>>> - a herbarium for *Tiliacora acuminata* is available at - >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=2584 sourced from >>>> >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/botanical_search.php?txtbtname=tiliacora+acuminata&gesp=2584%7CTiliacora+acuminata+MIERS >>>> >>>> more on *Pachygone ovata* - >>>> >>>> 1. distribution in India - >>>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?418434 >>>> 2. soil quality - http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/2940 >>>> 3. a picture in flickr - >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45835639@N04/5211939792/ and same pic >>>> in wiki - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachygone >>>> >>>> more on *Tiliacora acuminata* - >>>> >>>> 1. a sketch - >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=115772&flora_id=5 >>>> 2. description - >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>> >>>> >>>> The plant in my post more close to *Tiliacora acuminata* than *Pachygone >>>> ovata*. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>> >>>> Surajit Koley >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> According to Gamble, the key character differentiating Pachygone and >>>>> Tiliacora is the flower opening... >>>>> Flower opening down the sides..... Tiliacora >>>>> Flower opening across the tip....... Pachygone >>>>> >>>>> Leaf characters are not mentioned by Gamble! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Giby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13 June 2012 22:35, surajit koley <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have recorded the fruits of the same plant today. I am grateful to >>>>>> all of you for introducing me to a new family that i didn't know earlier. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dr K.N.Reddy <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is falls under *Tiliacora acuminata* only. In Pachygone leaf tip >>>>>>> is mucronate. Here the leaves are having acuminate tip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* jmgarg1 <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> koley <[email protected]> ; Dr >>>>>>> K.N.Reddy<[email protected]>; Vijayasankar >>>>>>> Raman <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:49 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from >>>>>>> Hooghly 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please. >>>>>>> Some earlierrelevant feedback: >>>>>>> “Please *check with Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. Is it commonly available in West >>>>>>> Benagal? >>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>> K.N. Reddy” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Surajit Koley" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 19 May 2012 00:27 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:114864] Re: long climber ID from Hooghly >>>>>>> 22-04-12 SK-2 >>>>>>> To: kamasani narasimhareddy <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Cc: [email protected], "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>, >>>>>>> Muthu Karthick <[email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, i must confess that i cannot help but calling myself 'a fool'! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have excuses though : a) so few online data is available regarding >>>>>>> wild species of India, specially if it does not bear attractive flowers >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> fruits, b) almost no image is available so that it could help a >>>>>>> layperson... etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, i just found out (what i didn't know earlier) that - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) A Menispermaceae member is a dioecious plant - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=10561 >>>>>>> 2) *Tiliacora racemosa* is a synonym of *T. acuminata* or *Cocculus >>>>>>> acuminatus* - >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220013554 >>>>>>> 3) The plant *T. acuminata* / *T. recemosa* has ayurvedic use - >>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15476314 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Attaching here some more photographs of the same plant. Please >>>>>>> confirm if the species is *Tiliacora acuminata*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM, kamasani narasimhareddy < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Surajit Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please check with *Tiliacora acuminata*. It is a common climber >>>>>>>> along the field hedges and roadsides. >>>>>>>> Is it commonly available in West Benagal? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> K.N. Reddy >>>>>>>> Research Scientist >>>>>>>> Laila R&D CentreUnit-1, Phase-III, Jawahar Autonagar, >>>>>>>> Vijayawada-520 007 >>>>>>>> Andhra Pradesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also >>>>>>> use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with >>>>>>> each image. >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: >>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1860 >>>>>>> members & 1,15,000 messages on 30/4/12) or Efloraofindia website: >>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species >>>>>>> database of more than 6500 species). >>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds >>>>>>> of India'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>> India >>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 +919947109987 (Mobile) >>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
