very nice like it that you persevere usha di On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:05 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote:
> Sir, > > I visited the place and recorded fresh images of plants scattered in an > area covering only 50 meter or less. > > *FINDINGS :* > > 1. All my previous pictures, including those old flowered ones and > with pods, come from same species. > 2. This plant is locally known as KATHSHOLA (where KATH = wood or > woody), it is entirely wild species > 3. DHONCHE, a cultivated species used as green manure, is also growing > nearby areas. My previous uploads of DHONCHE is at - > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xaUdJoZOLeI/discussion > 4. I do not know scientific names of both the species, but they are > surely either different species or varieties or cultivars or whatever > botany has in store for such plants > 5. KATHSHOLA is branched shrub growing in submerged lowlands, in small > ponds, ditches and even on roadside > 6. The overall appearance of DHONCHE is rather Jute Plant like , a > slender herb > > *Species Features :* > > - The plant grows vigorously in submerged land, while they are weak on > relatively drier place (roadside plants are weak, 3-4 feet, slender, but, > those at the edges of ponds and in submerged unused lands do attain a > height of more than 8 feet above water surface) > - The stem is prickly at lower or base and without prickle in the > upper region+branches > - The diameter of the stem at base region is that of a mature sugarcane > - adventitious roots emerge from base region and can be seen just > above the water surface > - rachis and leaflets length varies according to plant health, > maturity, and growing area on the stems. The leaves and leaflets at > lower part is bigger than upper part of the stems > > *Searched for KATHSHOLA :* > > 1. > > http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CEgQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.banglajol.info%2Findex.php%2FJPharma%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F347%2F342&ei=6hxnUOaRKoHprAee2oHgAg&usg=AFQjCNFFDodZZKpCXp-R8_T30aV0zVy1HA > 2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/2874821787/ > > Attaching some of the pictures taken today, on roadside, pond edge, > flooded lowland. I have many more stored in my hard disk. > > Thank you & Regards, > > surajit > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Surajit ji >> This is turning interesting. First make sure that all photographs belong >> to the same plant/population. Obviously 3730 and 3797 don't belong to the >> same plant. >> Your 6225 excludes the possibility of Aeschynomene, as pods are >> clearly of Sesbania. >> Your first photograph 8735 raises the biggest doubt. the leaflet >> shown starts from 5.6 cm and extends to about 9.8, a length of about 4.2 >> cm. same image at number 8 where whole width of leaf is shown the scale >> covering pair of leaflets. It starts from 5.6 and extends up to slightly >> less than 15. Taking into account the width of rachis the length comes to >> around 4.2-4.3 cm. >> The number of leaflets in few leaves that I could count seems to be >> 21-23 pairs. >> This strictly does not fit any species known in our Floras, although >> S. sesban with up to 25 pairs or so seems closest. The leaflet size in S. >> cannabinus is 8-20 mm, S. bispinosa 10-16 mm, and S. sesban 13-25 mm, again >> last being the closest. >> Please analyse your specimens keeping these in mind. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Neil Sir & Dinesh Ji, >>> >>> This plants, be several individuals of the same species or belong to two >>> different taxa, are neither *Aeschynomene >>> aspera<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=220000272> >>> * nor *A. >>> indica<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200011865> >>> *, nor even *A. >>> americana<http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242301487> >>> *. Leaflets and pods are much bigger here. Moreover, pods are long, as >>> can be seen in the attached picture *1024x_old_VSCN6225_25sept2010,jpg*. >>> >>> For the very leaflet size we can discard *S. sesban* (all varieties), *S. >>> bispinosa*. >>> >>> *Sesbania concolor* in FoP = leaflet 1-3 cm x 3-8 mm = >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250064809 >>> *Sesbania cannabina* in FoC = leaflet 8-20(-40) × 2.5-4(-7) = >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012310 >>> >>> It appears to me that it is a *Sesbania* species, maybe *Sesbania >>> cannabina<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xaUdJoZOLeI/discussion> >>> * (Retz.) >>> Pers<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xaUdJoZOLeI/discussion>. >>> According to FoC, "....Stems green or sometimes brown, smooth, with >>> inconspicuous light greenish stripes..." and the same feature can be seen >>> in my original upload pic - *plant3_DSCN8793.jpg*. But, at the same >>> time i fail to explain prickles in pic - *plant1_DSCN8730.jpg*. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Dinesh Valke >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Surajit ji, can we get nearer to some flowers at whatever best focus - >>>> by cropping original pictures (old_VSCN6223.jpg OR old_VSCN6225.jpg) ? >>>> Hopefully some time later, you may even get to capture the seedpods -- >>>> may give us good lead. >>>> My thought is - some species of *Aeschynomene*. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:34 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Neil Sir, >>>>> >>>>> I also thought that it might be a *Sesbania* species, specially, *Sesbania >>>>> cannabina* (Retz.) >>>>> Pers.<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xaUdJoZOLeI/discussion> >>>>> (or >>>>> DHONCHE in Bengali), more so because DHONCHE is cultivated in many places >>>>> in Hooghly, including that particular place and in this very rainy season. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday, i worked for almost 2 hrs. just to understand what does >>>>> mucronate or truncate or apiculate or obliquely rounded leaf mean. I paste >>>>> below my homework! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Leaflet apex = rounded and mucronate = *Aeschynomene indica* >>>>> L<http://www.fao.org/ag/AGP/AGPC/doc/Gbase/DATA/Pf000003.HTM> >>>>> . >>>>> Leaflet apex = obtuse or truncate-apiculate = *Sesbania cannabina* (Retz.) >>>>> Poir. <http://www.fao.org/ag/AGP/AGPC/doc/Gbase/data/pf000169.htm> >>>>> >>>>> 1. http://web3.dnp.go.th/botany/BFC/image/leaf/leaf_apex.jpg >>>>> 2. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.plantbiology.siu.edu/PLB304/Lecture02VegMorph/images/LeafApexLawrence.jpg >>>>> 3. http://www.nswildflora.ca/glossary/Grays/Figs103ffTips.jpg >>>>> 4. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eeob.iastate.edu/classes/bio366/terminology/vegetative/images/leaves/apices.jpg >>>>> 5. http://www.kswildflower.org/drawings/leafapex.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Leaflet base = obliquely rounded = *Aeschynomene indica* >>>>> L.<http://www.fao.org/ag/AGP/AGPC/doc/Gbase/DATA/Pf000003.HTM> >>>>> >>>>> 1. http://www.pssc.ttu.edu/techhort/structur/leaves/bases.htm >>>>> 2. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/abrs/online-resources/glossaries/vascular/images/lbase.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Leaflet size : *Aeschynomene indica* L = 2.5-6.5 mm long, 1.2-2.0 mm >>>>> broad = >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200011865 >>>>> Leaflet size = .*Sesbania cannabina* (Retz.) Poir. = 8-20(-40) × >>>>> 2.5-4(-7) mm = >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012310 >>>>> >>>>> Description = *Aeschynomene indica* L. = >>>>> http://www.prota4u.org/protav8.asp?g=psk&p=Aeschynomene+indica+L. >>>>> Description = *Sesbania cannabina* (Retz.) Poir. = >>>>> http://www.fao.org/ag/AGP/AGPC/doc/Gbase/data/pf000169.htm >>>>> >>>>> The above homework led me to *Aeschynomene* species. Only leaflet >>>>> size doesn't match. >>>>> >>>>> Now, as i read the description of *Sesbania bispinosa* at FoP ( >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242348734) >>>>> the same size problem arises, leaflet in this species measures at about 4 >>>>> cm x more than 7 mm. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much, >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Neil Soares >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> This one also looks like Sesbania bisphinosa. >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> Neil Soares. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On *Wed, 9/26/12, surajit koley >>>>>> <[email protected]>*wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:132613] Fabaceae herb ID 26/9/2012 SK >>>>>> To: "efloraofindia" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:36 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was SHOLAPITH (*Aeschynomene*), i have been told so by >>>>>> local residents, but leaflets are much bigger. I attach pictures of four >>>>>> individuals, and also two old records of the same plant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild under-shrub in ditches and flooded lowland at >>>>>> village outskirts, 5 feet or more tall >>>>>> Date : 18/8/12 & 25/9/10 (old, with flowers) >>>>>> Place : Khanpur (Hooghly) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > -- > > > > -- Usha di =========== --
