Apparently, flashing doesn't succeed for some reason. Are you using the latest version of IOIODude? Have you tried going through the upgrade process from a different computer? On Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ytai, > > Tried configuration wipe and oscillator calibration (I think I've done it > correctly) but still no success. PC only managed to recognize the boards in > non-bootloader mode once. But when I plugged the boards again it didn't > recognized them anymore. And ioiodude never recognized the App firmware > even when the boards where recognized by the PC. There is another thing: > when in bootloader mode I can always write the same App firmware version > without having to type "--force" command even if I had wrote that same > version before... > > Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 19:06:10 UTC+1, AF escreveu: >> >> Ytai, >> >> Just to add this: The board I've bought the other day has just arrived >> (from Sparkfun too). It had app firmware v3.3 and I just updated to v5.0 >> with no problems. A mode + No external supply + normal USB-A to micro-B >> cable. IOIODude reads both bootloader and app firmware with no problems at >> all. >> So it's confirmed, it has to be one of these options I guess (hope it >> makes sense): >> 1. The "H mode + external supply" flashing damages the IOIO board in the >> way that it will no longer work correctly in A mode for some reason >> or >> 2. There is no damage but some unknown problem about non-bootloader mode >> with Windows and/or the IOIO board appears after doing option 1 >> >> De-tuned clock, could be, never thought about that. I'll see what I can >> do and I will post updates soon. Thank you once again Ytai. >> >> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 18:18:47 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>> >>> The wiki page about IOIODude has a section about that. The idea is >>> resetting the IOIO's clock calibration values, in case it got de-tuned for >>> some reason. Once you do that, the next time you connect the IOIO to a PC >>> it will recalibrate itself from the host PC (automatically). >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ytai, >>>> >>>> Any comment you make here is always appreciated even if you can't help. >>>> So I thank you for that. >>>> Configuration wipe? on the IOIO's? or the PC (ioio.inf, etc...)? Could >>>> you be more specific please? I don't know how to do that on the IOIO's or >>>> what you really mean... >>>> >>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 16:40:57 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Heikki, you seem to have gotten your cables wrong. When connecting to >>>>> a PC you don't need any adapter cable, just a common A-micro-B cable. As >>>>> soon as you plug the adapter into the IOIO it will think it is a host, >>>>> unless the adapter is not a standard one, in which case the IOIO will not >>>>> act as host even when it should (hence the reason for having the host mode >>>>> switch). >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry I cannot be of more help with diagnosing the enumeration >>>>> failure. I just don't have a setup I can use to reproduce this issue. By >>>>> the way, has any of you attempted a configuration wipe at any point? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> heikki, I have upgraded my 3 boards (Sparkfun) from app firmware 3.3 >>>>>> to 5.0 in Windows 8.1 x64. >>>>>> One of them was brand new and never used before and was upgraded in A >>>>>> mode with no external supply. Everything OK no problems. (upgrade done >>>>>> with >>>>>> USB-A to micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>> The other two were already used with a smartphone and after the >>>>>> upgrade they started to have the issues already described here (before >>>>>> the >>>>>> upgrade they were OK). For these two, the upgrade has been done certainly >>>>>> in H mode and with external supply for the first time. After that it has >>>>>> been done through every possible way. (upgrade also done with USB-A to >>>>>> micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>> As Ytai confirmed in this thread, use a normal USB-A (PC) to >>>>>> micro-USB-B (IOIO) connector. No need for OTG ends and do not use the >>>>>> ones >>>>>> that come with IOIO (micro-USB-A) because they force IOIO to be in H >>>>>> mode. >>>>>> This non-bootloader issue really seems to be very common... >>>>>> >>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>> >>>>>> 2.05V. (in case you missed my last response) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 14:34:02 UTC+1, >>>>>> [email protected] escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>>> I have similar problems as here reported thread: >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ioio-users/_GlTiiui5tI >>>>>>> I never managed to upgrade using Windows 8.1, but Windows 7 is >>>>>>> working nearly ok. In the bootloader mode PC is connected, but not in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> application mode. However Android HELLO IOIO connects and reports >>>>>>> version >>>>>>> 5. Also my own Android app using ioiolib v5 connects >>>>>>> I am a little confused about USB cables: The board that has problems >>>>>>> is from Seedstudio, it came with red USB cable and micro A usb in IOIO >>>>>>> side. I made upgrade using it. >>>>>>> I have new boards from AliExpress. These are with black USB cable >>>>>>> with more common micro B connector on IOIO side. Is it so that upgrade >>>>>>> cannot be made with these black cables. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tiistai, 23. syyskuuta 2014 14.55.12 UTC+3 AF kirjoitti: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2.05V. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 3:06:11 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the IOIO connected to a PC in non-bootloader mode, can you >>>>>>>>> please measure the voltage between GND and the middle leg of the host >>>>>>>>> switch? It should read about 2.1V. >>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2014 4:57 PM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just tried on a different PC. No luck. Same issue happens. >>>>>>>>>> Unknown USB Device in non-bootloader mode. Cannot read app firmware >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> ioiodude when in this mode. (connected the IOIO in "A" position with >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> external supply) >>>>>>>>>> About the USB hub in the middle, I had already verified that >>>>>>>>>> before. With or without it same issue happens too. >>>>>>>>>> I don't know what to do anymore, this is so frustrating... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 21:14:58 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Always "A" position from now on [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>> No need for external supply [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When you say "should not do any permanent damage (except that >>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO will not work in a device role)" do you mean it will not >>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>> work in device role again after "making the mistake" of flashing >>>>>>>>>>>> in "H" >>>>>>>>>>>> mode? Or do you mean that it simply will not work in device role >>>>>>>>>>>> when in >>>>>>>>>>>> "H" mode and that if we flash it in this mode it will not do any >>>>>>>>>>>> damage? I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess you mean this last one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. There should be no permanent damage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And about the USB cable just to make clear: one should use a >>>>>>>>>>>> simple "USB type A to micro-USB type A or B" cable right? No need >>>>>>>>>>>> for OTG >>>>>>>>>>>> on one of the ends of the cable right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, A on the PC side to micro-B on the IOIO side (NOT A to >>>>>>>>>>> micro-A, because that would be equivalent to forcing the host mode >>>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>>> to the "H" position). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> About IOIO not enumerating correctly in non-bootloader mode I >>>>>>>>>>>> think you are totally right. Sometimes it is not recognized as COM >>>>>>>>>>>> Port but >>>>>>>>>>>> as an Unknown USB Device. Also, sometimes I have to keep pluging >>>>>>>>>>>> it in and >>>>>>>>>>>> out and "Find new hardware on Windows" and then "Update driver" >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> ioio.inf. After doing that it is recognized as COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude still >>>>>>>>>>>> can't show anything in this mode (non-bootloader). When I plug it >>>>>>>>>>>> out and >>>>>>>>>>>> then in again Windows may recognize it or not and I have to do >>>>>>>>>>>> this process >>>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Another thing to look at is that if you have a USB hub in the >>>>>>>>>>> middle, maybe bypassing it might help. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, I am going to try on a different computer very soon and >>>>>>>>>>>> post updates. Once again, thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great. Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 18:21:18 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A few comments regarding the latest posts: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I see no evidence that we have any problems here >>>>>>>>>>>>> related to programming not succeeding. I believe the comments >>>>>>>>>>>>> made earlier >>>>>>>>>>>>> about having a stable high-voltage supply are completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant in this >>>>>>>>>>>>> context, since there's no external flashing involved and in >>>>>>>>>>>>> either case >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no high-voltage programming on the PIC24. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The A/H position should *always* by on "A" except for >>>>>>>>>>>>> cases where you're trying to compensate for having an >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible USB >>>>>>>>>>>>> cable that will not automatically put the IOIO in host mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, >>>>>>>>>>>>> having it in "H" mode should not do any permanent damage >>>>>>>>>>>>> (except that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO will not work in a device role). >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Externally powering the IOIO when it is in device mode >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a valid option. In this mode it will consume its operating >>>>>>>>>>>>> current from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the external source. For booting into bootloader mode, one has >>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider >>>>>>>>>>>>> that power-cycling will not take place by detaching the USB >>>>>>>>>>>>> cable if the >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO is externally powered. So in general it is easier to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude-related stuff without applying external power. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, we still seem to have a real problem >>>>>>>>>>>>> here that is likely not v5.x firmware related, that is, that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO does >>>>>>>>>>>>> not enumerate correctly in non-bootloader mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any chance you can attempt this on a different computer, just >>>>>>>>>>>>> for sanity-checking? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:10 AM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I've done yesterday. I've bought another one. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope now that this one will be upgraded with no problems. I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it in A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> position with no external supply because the board that is OK >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgraded that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your offer Chad but I live in Portugal. You are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a nice guy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will attempt to do other procedures in order to fix these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two boards... I will post here updates if I succeed because this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a common issue. If Ytai has personal time for that it would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he posted a section with a title like "What you must do before >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading/downgrading IOIO firmware" in the beggining of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/IOIO-OTG-Bootloader-and-IO >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IODude. In a short text he could warn IOIO users what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> position of the H-A switch they must use before connecting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should use external supply or not. Because I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many users >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find this confusing and then mistakes occur. Btw, Ytai please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link in the sentence "The first thing to do is to grab the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest version >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOIODude >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/ytai/ioio/raw/master/release/apps/IOIODude-0100.zip>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same page to version 1.2. I guess you missed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your responses and feel free to keep trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to solve this issue. I will do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 2:27:49 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, short of sending both to someone who has done it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and has a known go physical setup. You may have only one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one or two... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be willing to try the updates for you if you pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping both ways. This assumes shipping is reasonable and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe time will pass and you'll have an "Ah ha" moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe buys some fresh 9V and try the flashing. A fresh 9V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to at least flash. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 4:58 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see your point Chad. Actually now I am trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade/downgrade the firmware in A position + external supply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (USB 5V 1A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to IOIO JST connector, homemade adaption made by myself, works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still no luck... I don't know what to do anymore... I think I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost everything! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 22:49:44 UTC+1, Chad Kennedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My experience with PIC chips has taught me that "not enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the burn/flash/programming time will give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results. Your problem is sounding more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've basically done it on two IOIOs and not a procedural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I faced. At the time of updating the firmware there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power applied or the IOIO was in H instead of A - these are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my theories. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would encourage you to re-update and/or roll back to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versionsV0330. fwiw I used a 9V battery and it did not last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powering the IOIO OTG or for that matter any PIC chips from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used prior during the flasing process. I dropped it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a usb power supply terminated pins on it and connected the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO. My plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs 5V DC @ 2A. Try updating again verifying all power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going way out on a limb for this IOIO OTG PIC model but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know my other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICs require 12+ Volt minimum to achieve a good flashing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC's USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will provide some power, but is likely needing to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplemented with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external. Again stating this from experience and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO's PIC's specifications/requirements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 2:12 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > black7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both boards are showing inconsistent behaviour. I only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed once to show the app firmware on ioiodude for one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (don't know why it worked that time, the procedure was the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same for both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards). Now I can't show it for both boards and one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with my smartphone other times doesn't. The other one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. This makes no sense I know... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > And about upgrading the firmware with the external power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply: that's what I was trying to say on the first post, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is highly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probable that I've done that and also with H position on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch... I can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember but I think I've done it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > At first the COM ports only appeared in H position. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when in A position they appeared as unknown devices. 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