It is indeed possible. It will draw as much current as your load draws. As noted on the page, it is usually not a great idea to draw more than, say, 100mA. 400mA will work, but might get a little hot.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:46 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: > Ytai, > > I have been trying more upgrades but no luck at all. I also take this > opportunity to ask you the following: > I have been reading the IOIO-OTG Power Supply page ( > https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/Power-Supply-OTG) but nothing is said > about what I am going to ask. > Is it possible to power external hardware through 3.3V output when the > IOIO is being powered through USB (smartphone only)? If so, how much power > does it draw? "400mA for any external 3.3V peripherals"? I could test it > but it safer to ask you first... > > Quinta-feira, 25 de Setembro de 2014 19:21:39 UTC+1, AF escreveu: > >> Yes. >> >> Quinta-feira, 25 de Setembro de 2014 19:01:01 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>> >>> Apparently, flashing doesn't succeed for some reason. Are you using the >>> latest version of IOIODude? Have you tried going through the upgrade >>> process from a different computer? >>> On Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ytai, >>>> >>>> Tried configuration wipe and oscillator calibration (I think I've done >>>> it correctly) but still no success. PC only managed to recognize the boards >>>> in non-bootloader mode once. But when I plugged the boards again it didn't >>>> recognized them anymore. And ioiodude never recognized the App firmware >>>> even when the boards where recognized by the PC. There is another thing: >>>> when in bootloader mode I can always write the same App firmware version >>>> without having to type "--force" command even if I had wrote that same >>>> version before... >>>> >>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 19:06:10 UTC+1, AF escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Ytai, >>>>> >>>>> Just to add this: The board I've bought the other day has just arrived >>>>> (from Sparkfun too). It had app firmware v3.3 and I just updated to v5.0 >>>>> with no problems. A mode + No external supply + normal USB-A to micro-B >>>>> cable. IOIODude reads both bootloader and app firmware with no problems at >>>>> all. >>>>> So it's confirmed, it has to be one of these options I guess (hope it >>>>> makes sense): >>>>> 1. The "H mode + external supply" flashing damages the IOIO board in >>>>> the way that it will no longer work correctly in A mode for some reason >>>>> or >>>>> 2. There is no damage but some unknown problem about non-bootloader >>>>> mode with Windows and/or the IOIO board appears after doing option 1 >>>>> >>>>> De-tuned clock, could be, never thought about that. I'll see what I >>>>> can do and I will post updates soon. Thank you once again Ytai. >>>>> >>>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 18:18:47 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> The wiki page about IOIODude has a section about that. The idea is >>>>>> resetting the IOIO's clock calibration values, in case it got de-tuned >>>>>> for >>>>>> some reason. Once you do that, the next time you connect the IOIO to a PC >>>>>> it will recalibrate itself from the host PC (automatically). >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any comment you make here is always appreciated even if you can't >>>>>>> help. So I thank you for that. >>>>>>> Configuration wipe? on the IOIO's? or the PC (ioio.inf, etc...)? >>>>>>> Could you be more specific please? I don't know how to do that on the >>>>>>> IOIO's or what you really mean... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 16:40:57 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heikki, you seem to have gotten your cables wrong. When connecting >>>>>>>> to a PC you don't need any adapter cable, just a common A-micro-B >>>>>>>> cable. As >>>>>>>> soon as you plug the adapter into the IOIO it will think it is a host, >>>>>>>> unless the adapter is not a standard one, in which case the IOIO will >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> act as host even when it should (hence the reason for having the host >>>>>>>> mode >>>>>>>> switch). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sorry I cannot be of more help with diagnosing the enumeration >>>>>>>> failure. I just don't have a setup I can use to reproduce this issue. >>>>>>>> By >>>>>>>> the way, has any of you attempted a configuration wipe at any point? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> heikki, I have upgraded my 3 boards (Sparkfun) from app firmware >>>>>>>>> 3.3 to 5.0 in Windows 8.1 x64. >>>>>>>>> One of them was brand new and never used before and was upgraded >>>>>>>>> in A mode with no external supply. Everything OK no problems. >>>>>>>>> (upgrade done >>>>>>>>> with USB-A to micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>>>> The other two were already used with a smartphone and after the >>>>>>>>> upgrade they started to have the issues already described here >>>>>>>>> (before the >>>>>>>>> upgrade they were OK). For these two, the upgrade has been done >>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>> in H mode and with external supply for the first time. After that it >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> been done through every possible way. (upgrade also done with USB-A to >>>>>>>>> micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>>>> As Ytai confirmed in this thread, use a normal USB-A (PC) to >>>>>>>>> micro-USB-B (IOIO) connector. No need for OTG ends and do not use the >>>>>>>>> ones >>>>>>>>> that come with IOIO (micro-USB-A) because they force IOIO to be in H >>>>>>>>> mode. >>>>>>>>> This non-bootloader issue really seems to be very common... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2.05V. (in case you missed my last response) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 14:34:02 UTC+1, >>>>>>>>> [email protected] escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>>>>>> I have similar problems as here reported thread: >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ioio-users/_GlTiiui5tI >>>>>>>>>> I never managed to upgrade using Windows 8.1, but Windows 7 is >>>>>>>>>> working nearly ok. In the bootloader mode PC is connected, but not >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> application mode. However Android HELLO IOIO connects and reports >>>>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>>>> 5. Also my own Android app using ioiolib v5 connects >>>>>>>>>> I am a little confused about USB cables: The board that has >>>>>>>>>> problems is from Seedstudio, it came with red USB cable and micro A >>>>>>>>>> usb in >>>>>>>>>> IOIO side. I made upgrade using it. >>>>>>>>>> I have new boards from AliExpress. These are with black USB cable >>>>>>>>>> with more common micro B connector on IOIO side. Is it so that >>>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>>> cannot be made with these black cables. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> tiistai, 23. syyskuuta 2014 14.55.12 UTC+3 AF kirjoitti: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2.05V. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 3:06:11 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With the IOIO connected to a PC in non-bootloader mode, can you >>>>>>>>>>>> please measure the voltage between GND and the middle leg of the >>>>>>>>>>>> host >>>>>>>>>>>> switch? It should read about 2.1V. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2014 4:57 PM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried on a different PC. No luck. Same issue happens. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown USB Device in non-bootloader mode. Cannot read app >>>>>>>>>>>>> firmware in >>>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude when in this mode. (connected the IOIO in "A" position >>>>>>>>>>>>> with no >>>>>>>>>>>>> external supply) >>>>>>>>>>>>> About the USB hub in the middle, I had already verified that >>>>>>>>>>>>> before. With or without it same issue happens too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what to do anymore, this is so frustrating... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 21:14:58 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Always "A" position from now on [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need for external supply [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say "should not do any permanent damage (except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the IOIO will not work in a device role)" do you mean it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never work in device role again after "making the mistake" of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashing in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "H" mode? Or do you mean that it simply will not work in device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> role when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in "H" mode and that if we flash it in this mode it will not do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any damage? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you mean this last one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. There should be no permanent damage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And about the USB cable just to make clear: one should use a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple "USB type A to micro-USB type A or B" cable right? No >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need for OTG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on one of the ends of the cable right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, A on the PC side to micro-B on the IOIO side (NOT A to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> micro-A, because that would be equivalent to forcing the host >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the "H" position). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About IOIO not enumerating correctly in non-bootloader mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are totally right. Sometimes it is not recognized >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as COM Port >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but as an Unknown USB Device. Also, sometimes I have to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pluging it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and out and "Find new hardware on Windows" and then "Update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver" using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ioio.inf. After doing that it is recognized as COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't show anything in this mode (non-bootloader). When I plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then in again Windows may recognize it or not and I have to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing to look at is that if you have a USB hub in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle, maybe bypassing it might help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, I am going to try on a different computer very soon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and post updates. Once again, thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great. Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 18:21:18 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few comments regarding the latest posts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I see no evidence that we have any problems here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related to programming not succeeding. I believe the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments made earlier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about having a stable high-voltage supply are completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context, since there's no external flashing involved and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either case >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no high-voltage programming on the PIC24. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The A/H position should *always* by on "A" except >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for cases where you're trying to compensate for having an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable that will not automatically put the IOIO in host >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode. Regardless, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having it in "H" mode should not do any permanent damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO will not work in a device role). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Externally powering the IOIO when it is in device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode is a valid option. In this mode it will consume its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the external source. For booting into bootloader mode, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider that power-cycling will not take place by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detaching the USB cable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the IOIO is externally powered. So in general it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to do all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude-related stuff without applying external power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, we still seem to have a real problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here that is likely not v5.x firmware related, that is, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enumerate correctly in non-bootloader mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any chance you can attempt this on a different computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for sanity-checking? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:10 AM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I've done yesterday. I've bought another one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope now that this one will be upgraded with no problems. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will do it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A position with no external supply because the board that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgraded that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your offer Chad but I live in Portugal. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a nice guy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will attempt to do other procedures in order to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these two boards... I will post here updates if I succeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be a common issue. If Ytai has personal time for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if he posted a section with a title like "What you must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading/downgrading IOIO firmware" in the beggining of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/IOIO-OTG-Bootloader-and- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude. In a short text he could warn IOIO users what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position of the H-A switch they must use before connecting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should use external supply or not. Because I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many users >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find this confusing and then mistakes occur. Btw, Ytai please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link in the sentence "The first thing to do is to grab the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOIODude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/ytai/ioio/raw/master/release/apps/IOIODude-0100.zip>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same page to version 1.2. I guess you missed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your responses and feel free to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to solve this issue. I will do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 2:27:49 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, short of sending both to someone who has done it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and has a known go physical setup. You may have only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one option, buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one or two... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be willing to try the updates for you if you pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for shipping both ways. This assumes shipping is reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe time will pass and you'll have an "Ah ha" moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe buys some fresh 9V and try the flashing. A fresh 9V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to at least flash. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 4:58 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see your point Chad. Actually now I am trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade/downgrade the firmware in A position + external >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply (USB 5V 1A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to IOIO JST connector, homemade adaption made by myself, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works fine) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still no luck... I don't know what to do anymore... I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost everything! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 22:49:44 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My experience with PIC chips has taught me that "not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough power" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the burn/flash/programming time will give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results. Your problem is sounding more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've basically done it on two IOIOs and not a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedural problem like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I faced. At the time of updating the firmware there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power applied or the IOIO was in H instead of A - these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are my theories. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would encourage you to re-update and/or roll back to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versionsV0330. fwiw I used a 9V battery and it did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powering the IOIO OTG or for that matter any PIC chips >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used prior during the flasing process. I dropped it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a usb power supply terminated pins on it and connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO. My plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs 5V DC @ 2A. Try updating again verifying all power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going way out on a limb for this IOIO OTG PIC model but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know my other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICs require 12+ Volt minimum to achieve a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashing, the PC's USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will provide some power, but is likely needing to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplemented with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external. Again stating this from experience and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO's PIC's specifications/requirements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 2:12 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > black7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both boards are showing inconsistent behaviour. I only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed once to show the app firmware on ioiodude for one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the boards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (don't know why it worked that time, the procedure was the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same for both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards). 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