Yes. Quinta-feira, 25 de Setembro de 2014 19:01:01 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: > > Apparently, flashing doesn't succeed for some reason. Are you using the > latest version of IOIODude? Have you tried going through the upgrade > process from a different computer? > On Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM, "AF" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Ytai, >> >> Tried configuration wipe and oscillator calibration (I think I've done it >> correctly) but still no success. PC only managed to recognize the boards in >> non-bootloader mode once. But when I plugged the boards again it didn't >> recognized them anymore. And ioiodude never recognized the App firmware >> even when the boards where recognized by the PC. There is another thing: >> when in bootloader mode I can always write the same App firmware version >> without having to type "--force" command even if I had wrote that same >> version before... >> >> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 19:06:10 UTC+1, AF escreveu: >>> >>> Ytai, >>> >>> Just to add this: The board I've bought the other day has just arrived >>> (from Sparkfun too). It had app firmware v3.3 and I just updated to v5.0 >>> with no problems. A mode + No external supply + normal USB-A to micro-B >>> cable. IOIODude reads both bootloader and app firmware with no problems at >>> all. >>> So it's confirmed, it has to be one of these options I guess (hope it >>> makes sense): >>> 1. The "H mode + external supply" flashing damages the IOIO board in the >>> way that it will no longer work correctly in A mode for some reason >>> or >>> 2. There is no damage but some unknown problem about non-bootloader mode >>> with Windows and/or the IOIO board appears after doing option 1 >>> >>> De-tuned clock, could be, never thought about that. I'll see what I can >>> do and I will post updates soon. Thank you once again Ytai. >>> >>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 18:18:47 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>> >>>> The wiki page about IOIODude has a section about that. The idea is >>>> resetting the IOIO's clock calibration values, in case it got de-tuned for >>>> some reason. Once you do that, the next time you connect the IOIO to a PC >>>> it will recalibrate itself from the host PC (automatically). >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ytai, >>>>> >>>>> Any comment you make here is always appreciated even if you can't >>>>> help. So I thank you for that. >>>>> Configuration wipe? on the IOIO's? or the PC (ioio.inf, etc...)? Could >>>>> you be more specific please? I don't know how to do that on the IOIO's or >>>>> what you really mean... >>>>> >>>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 16:40:57 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Heikki, you seem to have gotten your cables wrong. When connecting to >>>>>> a PC you don't need any adapter cable, just a common A-micro-B cable. As >>>>>> soon as you plug the adapter into the IOIO it will think it is a host, >>>>>> unless the adapter is not a standard one, in which case the IOIO will >>>>>> not >>>>>> act as host even when it should (hence the reason for having the host >>>>>> mode >>>>>> switch). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry I cannot be of more help with diagnosing the enumeration >>>>>> failure. I just don't have a setup I can use to reproduce this issue. By >>>>>> the way, has any of you attempted a configuration wipe at any point? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> heikki, I have upgraded my 3 boards (Sparkfun) from app firmware 3.3 >>>>>>> to 5.0 in Windows 8.1 x64. >>>>>>> One of them was brand new and never used before and was upgraded in >>>>>>> A mode with no external supply. Everything OK no problems. (upgrade >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> with USB-A to micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>> The other two were already used with a smartphone and after the >>>>>>> upgrade they started to have the issues already described here (before >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> upgrade they were OK). For these two, the upgrade has been done >>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>> in H mode and with external supply for the first time. After that it >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> been done through every possible way. (upgrade also done with USB-A to >>>>>>> micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>> As Ytai confirmed in this thread, use a normal USB-A (PC) to >>>>>>> micro-USB-B (IOIO) connector. No need for OTG ends and do not use the >>>>>>> ones >>>>>>> that come with IOIO (micro-USB-A) because they force IOIO to be in H >>>>>>> mode. >>>>>>> This non-bootloader issue really seems to be very common... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2.05V. (in case you missed my last response) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 14:34:02 UTC+1, >>>>>>> [email protected] escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>>>> I have similar problems as here reported thread: >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ioio-users/_GlTiiui5tI >>>>>>>> I never managed to upgrade using Windows 8.1, but Windows 7 is >>>>>>>> working nearly ok. In the bootloader mode PC is connected, but not in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> application mode. However Android HELLO IOIO connects and reports >>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>> 5. Also my own Android app using ioiolib v5 connects >>>>>>>> I am a little confused about USB cables: The board that has >>>>>>>> problems is from Seedstudio, it came with red USB cable and micro A >>>>>>>> usb in >>>>>>>> IOIO side. I made upgrade using it. >>>>>>>> I have new boards from AliExpress. These are with black USB cable >>>>>>>> with more common micro B connector on IOIO side. Is it so that upgrade >>>>>>>> cannot be made with these black cables. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tiistai, 23. syyskuuta 2014 14.55.12 UTC+3 AF kirjoitti: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2.05V. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 3:06:11 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the IOIO connected to a PC in non-bootloader mode, can you >>>>>>>>>> please measure the voltage between GND and the middle leg of the >>>>>>>>>> host >>>>>>>>>> switch? It should read about 2.1V. >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2014 4:57 PM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just tried on a different PC. No luck. Same issue happens. >>>>>>>>>>> Unknown USB Device in non-bootloader mode. Cannot read app firmware >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude when in this mode. (connected the IOIO in "A" position >>>>>>>>>>> with no >>>>>>>>>>> external supply) >>>>>>>>>>> About the USB hub in the middle, I had already verified that >>>>>>>>>>> before. With or without it same issue happens too. >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what to do anymore, this is so frustrating... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 21:14:58 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Always "A" position from now on [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No need for external supply [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say "should not do any permanent damage (except that >>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO will not work in a device role)" do you mean it will not >>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>> work in device role again after "making the mistake" of flashing >>>>>>>>>>>>> in "H" >>>>>>>>>>>>> mode? Or do you mean that it simply will not work in device role >>>>>>>>>>>>> when in >>>>>>>>>>>>> "H" mode and that if we flash it in this mode it will not do any >>>>>>>>>>>>> damage? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> guess you mean this last one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. There should be no permanent damage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And about the USB cable just to make clear: one should use a >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple "USB type A to micro-USB type A or B" cable right? No need >>>>>>>>>>>>> for OTG >>>>>>>>>>>>> on one of the ends of the cable right? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, A on the PC side to micro-B on the IOIO side (NOT A to >>>>>>>>>>>> micro-A, because that would be equivalent to forcing the host mode >>>>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>>>> to the "H" position). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> About IOIO not enumerating correctly in non-bootloader mode I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think you are totally right. Sometimes it is not recognized as >>>>>>>>>>>>> COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>>> as an Unknown USB Device. Also, sometimes I have to keep pluging >>>>>>>>>>>>> it in and >>>>>>>>>>>>> out and "Find new hardware on Windows" and then "Update driver" >>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>> ioio.inf. After doing that it is recognized as COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude still >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't show anything in this mode (non-bootloader). When I plug it >>>>>>>>>>>>> out and >>>>>>>>>>>>> then in again Windows may recognize it or not and I have to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> this process >>>>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing to look at is that if you have a USB hub in the >>>>>>>>>>>> middle, maybe bypassing it might help. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, I am going to try on a different computer very soon and >>>>>>>>>>>>> post updates. Once again, thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Great. Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 18:21:18 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few comments regarding the latest posts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I see no evidence that we have any problems here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> related to programming not succeeding. I believe the comments >>>>>>>>>>>>>> made earlier >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about having a stable high-voltage supply are completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> context, since there's no external flashing involved and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either case >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no high-voltage programming on the PIC24. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The A/H position should *always* by on "A" except for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases where you're trying to compensate for having an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable that will not automatically put the IOIO in host mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having it in "H" mode should not do any permanent damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO will not work in a device role). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Externally powering the IOIO when it is in device mode >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a valid option. In this mode it will consume its operating >>>>>>>>>>>>>> current from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the external source. For booting into bootloader mode, one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to consider >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that power-cycling will not take place by detaching the USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable if the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO is externally powered. So in general it is easier to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude-related stuff without applying external power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, we still seem to have a real problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here that is likely not v5.x firmware related, that is, that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO does >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enumerate correctly in non-bootloader mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any chance you can attempt this on a different computer, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for sanity-checking? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:10 AM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I've done yesterday. I've bought another one. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope now that this one will be upgraded with no problems. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will do it in A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position with no external supply because the board that is OK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgraded that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your offer Chad but I live in Portugal. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a nice guy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will attempt to do other procedures in order to fix these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two boards... I will post here updates if I succeed because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a common issue. If Ytai has personal time for that it would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he posted a section with a title like "What you must do before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading/downgrading IOIO firmware" in the beggining of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/IOIO-OTG-Bootloader-and-IO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IODude. In a short text he could warn IOIO users what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position of the H-A switch they must use before connecting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should use external supply or not. Because I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many users >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find this confusing and then mistakes occur. Btw, Ytai please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link in the sentence "The first thing to do is to grab the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOIODude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/ytai/ioio/raw/master/release/apps/IOIODude-0100.zip>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same page to version 1.2. I guess you missed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your responses and feel free to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to solve this issue. I will do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 2:27:49 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, short of sending both to someone who has done it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and has a known go physical setup. You may have only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one option, buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one or two... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be willing to try the updates for you if you pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for shipping both ways. This assumes shipping is reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe time will pass and you'll have an "Ah ha" moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe buys some fresh 9V and try the flashing. A fresh 9V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to at least flash. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 4:58 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see your point Chad. Actually now I am trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade/downgrade the firmware in A position + external supply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (USB 5V 1A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to IOIO JST connector, homemade adaption made by myself, works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still no luck... I don't know what to do anymore... I think I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost everything! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 22:49:44 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My experience with PIC chips has taught me that "not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough power" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the burn/flash/programming time will give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results. Your problem is sounding more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've basically done it on two IOIOs and not a procedural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I faced. At the time of updating the firmware there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power applied or the IOIO was in H instead of A - these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are my theories. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would encourage you to re-update and/or roll back to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versionsV0330. fwiw I used a 9V battery and it did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powering the IOIO OTG or for that matter any PIC chips >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used prior during the flasing process. I dropped it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a usb power supply terminated pins on it and connected the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO. My plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs 5V DC @ 2A. Try updating again verifying all power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going way out on a limb for this IOIO OTG PIC model but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know my other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICs require 12+ Volt minimum to achieve a good flashing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC's USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will provide some power, but is likely needing to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplemented with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external. Again stating this from experience and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO's PIC's specifications/requirements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 2:12 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > black7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both boards are showing inconsistent behaviour. I only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed once to show the app firmware on ioiodude for one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (don't know why it worked that time, the procedure was the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same for both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards). Now I can't show it for both boards and one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with my smartphone other times doesn't. The other one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. This makes no sense I know... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > And about upgrading the firmware with the external power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply: that's what I was trying to say on the first post, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is highly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probable that I've done that and also with H position on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch... I can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember but I think I've done it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > At first the COM ports only appeared in H position. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when in A position they appeared as unknown devices. 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