Ytai, I have been trying more upgrades but no luck at all. I also take this opportunity to ask you the following: I have been reading the IOIO-OTG Power Supply page (https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/Power-Supply-OTG) but nothing is said about what I am going to ask. Is it possible to power external hardware through 3.3V output when the IOIO is being powered through USB (smartphone only)? If so, how much power does it draw? "400mA for any external 3.3V peripherals"? I could test it but it safer to ask you first...
Quinta-feira, 25 de Setembro de 2014 19:21:39 UTC+1, AF escreveu: > > Yes. > > Quinta-feira, 25 de Setembro de 2014 19:01:01 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >> >> Apparently, flashing doesn't succeed for some reason. Are you using the >> latest version of IOIODude? Have you tried going through the upgrade >> process from a different computer? >> On Sep 25, 2014 8:19 AM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ytai, >>> >>> Tried configuration wipe and oscillator calibration (I think I've done >>> it correctly) but still no success. PC only managed to recognize the boards >>> in non-bootloader mode once. But when I plugged the boards again it didn't >>> recognized them anymore. And ioiodude never recognized the App firmware >>> even when the boards where recognized by the PC. There is another thing: >>> when in bootloader mode I can always write the same App firmware version >>> without having to type "--force" command even if I had wrote that same >>> version before... >>> >>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 19:06:10 UTC+1, AF escreveu: >>>> >>>> Ytai, >>>> >>>> Just to add this: The board I've bought the other day has just arrived >>>> (from Sparkfun too). It had app firmware v3.3 and I just updated to v5.0 >>>> with no problems. A mode + No external supply + normal USB-A to micro-B >>>> cable. IOIODude reads both bootloader and app firmware with no problems at >>>> all. >>>> So it's confirmed, it has to be one of these options I guess (hope it >>>> makes sense): >>>> 1. The "H mode + external supply" flashing damages the IOIO board in >>>> the way that it will no longer work correctly in A mode for some reason >>>> or >>>> 2. There is no damage but some unknown problem about non-bootloader >>>> mode with Windows and/or the IOIO board appears after doing option 1 >>>> >>>> De-tuned clock, could be, never thought about that. I'll see what I can >>>> do and I will post updates soon. Thank you once again Ytai. >>>> >>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 18:18:47 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> The wiki page about IOIODude has a section about that. The idea is >>>>> resetting the IOIO's clock calibration values, in case it got de-tuned >>>>> for >>>>> some reason. Once you do that, the next time you connect the IOIO to a PC >>>>> it will recalibrate itself from the host PC (automatically). >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>> >>>>>> Any comment you make here is always appreciated even if you can't >>>>>> help. So I thank you for that. >>>>>> Configuration wipe? on the IOIO's? or the PC (ioio.inf, etc...)? >>>>>> Could you be more specific please? I don't know how to do that on the >>>>>> IOIO's or what you really mean... >>>>>> >>>>>> Quarta-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2014 16:40:57 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heikki, you seem to have gotten your cables wrong. When connecting >>>>>>> to a PC you don't need any adapter cable, just a common A-micro-B >>>>>>> cable. As >>>>>>> soon as you plug the adapter into the IOIO it will think it is a host, >>>>>>> unless the adapter is not a standard one, in which case the IOIO will >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> act as host even when it should (hence the reason for having the host >>>>>>> mode >>>>>>> switch). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry I cannot be of more help with diagnosing the enumeration >>>>>>> failure. I just don't have a setup I can use to reproduce this issue. >>>>>>> By >>>>>>> the way, has any of you attempted a configuration wipe at any point? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, AF <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> heikki, I have upgraded my 3 boards (Sparkfun) from app firmware >>>>>>>> 3.3 to 5.0 in Windows 8.1 x64. >>>>>>>> One of them was brand new and never used before and was upgraded in >>>>>>>> A mode with no external supply. Everything OK no problems. (upgrade >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> with USB-A to micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>>> The other two were already used with a smartphone and after the >>>>>>>> upgrade they started to have the issues already described here (before >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> upgrade they were OK). For these two, the upgrade has been done >>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>> in H mode and with external supply for the first time. After that it >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> been done through every possible way. (upgrade also done with USB-A to >>>>>>>> micro-USB-B cable, no OTG ends) >>>>>>>> As Ytai confirmed in this thread, use a normal USB-A (PC) to >>>>>>>> micro-USB-B (IOIO) connector. No need for OTG ends and do not use the >>>>>>>> ones >>>>>>>> that come with IOIO (micro-USB-A) because they force IOIO to be in H >>>>>>>> mode. >>>>>>>> This non-bootloader issue really seems to be very common... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2.05V. (in case you missed my last response) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 14:34:02 UTC+1, >>>>>>>> [email protected] escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>>>>> I have similar problems as here reported thread: >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ioio-users/_GlTiiui5tI >>>>>>>>> I never managed to upgrade using Windows 8.1, but Windows 7 is >>>>>>>>> working nearly ok. In the bootloader mode PC is connected, but not in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> application mode. However Android HELLO IOIO connects and reports >>>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>>> 5. Also my own Android app using ioiolib v5 connects >>>>>>>>> I am a little confused about USB cables: The board that has >>>>>>>>> problems is from Seedstudio, it came with red USB cable and micro A >>>>>>>>> usb in >>>>>>>>> IOIO side. I made upgrade using it. >>>>>>>>> I have new boards from AliExpress. These are with black USB cable >>>>>>>>> with more common micro B connector on IOIO side. Is it so that >>>>>>>>> upgrade >>>>>>>>> cannot be made with these black cables. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tiistai, 23. syyskuuta 2014 14.55.12 UTC+3 AF kirjoitti: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2.05V. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Terça-feira, 23 de Setembro de 2014 3:06:11 UTC+1, Ytai escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With the IOIO connected to a PC in non-bootloader mode, can you >>>>>>>>>>> please measure the voltage between GND and the middle leg of the >>>>>>>>>>> host >>>>>>>>>>> switch? It should read about 2.1V. >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2014 4:57 PM, "AF" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried on a different PC. No luck. Same issue happens. >>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown USB Device in non-bootloader mode. Cannot read app >>>>>>>>>>>> firmware in >>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude when in this mode. (connected the IOIO in "A" position >>>>>>>>>>>> with no >>>>>>>>>>>> external supply) >>>>>>>>>>>> About the USB hub in the middle, I had already verified that >>>>>>>>>>>> before. With or without it same issue happens too. >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what to do anymore, this is so frustrating... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 21:14:58 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Always "A" position from now on [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need for external supply [checked]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say "should not do any permanent damage (except that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO will not work in a device role)" do you mean it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work in device role again after "making the mistake" of flashing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in "H" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode? Or do you mean that it simply will not work in device role >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "H" mode and that if we flash it in this mode it will not do any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> damage? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess you mean this last one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. There should be no permanent damage. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And about the USB cable just to make clear: one should use a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple "USB type A to micro-USB type A or B" cable right? No >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need for OTG >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on one of the ends of the cable right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, A on the PC side to micro-B on the IOIO side (NOT A to >>>>>>>>>>>>> micro-A, because that would be equivalent to forcing the host >>>>>>>>>>>>> mode switch >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the "H" position). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> About IOIO not enumerating correctly in non-bootloader mode I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think you are totally right. Sometimes it is not recognized as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an Unknown USB Device. Also, sometimes I have to keep pluging >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and "Find new hardware on Windows" and then "Update driver" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ioio.inf. After doing that it is recognized as COM Port but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ioiodude still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't show anything in this mode (non-bootloader). When I plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then in again Windows may recognize it or not and I have to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this process >>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing to look at is that if you have a USB hub in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> middle, maybe bypassing it might help. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai, I am going to try on a different computer very soon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> post updates. Once again, thank you for your answer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Great. Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 18:21:18 UTC+1, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few comments regarding the latest posts: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I see no evidence that we have any problems here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related to programming not succeeding. I believe the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments made earlier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about having a stable high-voltage supply are completely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context, since there's no external flashing involved and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either case >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no high-voltage programming on the PIC24. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The A/H position should *always* by on "A" except for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases where you're trying to compensate for having an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable that will not automatically put the IOIO in host mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having it in "H" mode should not do any permanent damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (except that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO will not work in a device role). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Externally powering the IOIO when it is in device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode is a valid option. In this mode it will consume its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the external source. For booting into bootloader mode, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider that power-cycling will not take place by detaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the USB cable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the IOIO is externally powered. So in general it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to do all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude-related stuff without applying external power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said all that, we still seem to have a real problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here that is likely not v5.x firmware related, that is, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not enumerate correctly in non-bootloader mode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any chance you can attempt this on a different computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for sanity-checking? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:10 AM, AF <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I've done yesterday. I've bought another one. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope now that this one will be upgraded with no problems. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will do it in A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position with no external supply because the board that is OK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgraded that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your offer Chad but I live in Portugal. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a nice guy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will attempt to do other procedures in order to fix these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two boards... I will post here updates if I succeed because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a common issue. If Ytai has personal time for that it would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he posted a section with a title like "What you must do before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading/downgrading IOIO firmware" in the beggining of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/IOIO-OTG-Bootloader-and- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIODude. In a short text he could warn IOIO users what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position of the H-A switch they must use before connecting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should use external supply or not. Because I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many users >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find this confusing and then mistakes occur. Btw, Ytai please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link in the sentence "The first thing to do is to grab the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IOIODude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/ytai/ioio/raw/master/release/apps/IOIODude-0100.zip>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same page to version 1.2. I guess you missed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your responses and feel free to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to solve this issue. I will do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segunda-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2014 2:27:49 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, short of sending both to someone who has done it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and has a known go physical setup. You may have only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one option, buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one or two... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be willing to try the updates for you if you pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for shipping both ways. This assumes shipping is reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe time will pass and you'll have an "Ah ha" moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe buys some fresh 9V and try the flashing. A fresh 9V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to at least flash. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 4:58 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see your point Chad. Actually now I am trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade/downgrade the firmware in A position + external >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply (USB 5V 1A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to IOIO JST connector, homemade adaption made by myself, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works fine) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still no luck... I don't know what to do anymore... I think I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost everything! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Domingo, 21 de Setembro de 2014 22:49:44 UTC+1, Chad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My experience with PIC chips has taught me that "not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough power" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the burn/flash/programming time will give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistent results. Your problem is sounding more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've basically done it on two IOIOs and not a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedural problem like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I faced. At the time of updating the firmware there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power applied or the IOIO was in H instead of A - these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are my theories. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would encourage you to re-update and/or roll back to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versionsV0330. fwiw I used a 9V battery and it did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powering the IOIO OTG or for that matter any PIC chips >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used prior during the flasing process. I dropped it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly and found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a usb power supply terminated pins on it and connected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IOIO. My plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs 5V DC @ 2A. Try updating again verifying all power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going way out on a limb for this IOIO OTG PIC model but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know my other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICs require 12+ Volt minimum to achieve a good flashing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PC's USB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will provide some power, but is likely needing to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplemented with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external. Again stating this from experience and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO's PIC's specifications/requirements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/21/2014 2:12 PM, AF wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > black7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Both boards are showing inconsistent behaviour. I only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed once to show the app firmware on ioiodude for one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (don't know why it worked that time, the procedure was the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same for both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards). Now I can't show it for both boards and one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with my smartphone other times doesn't. The other one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all. This makes no sense I know... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > And about upgrading the firmware with the external >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power supply: that's what I was trying to say on the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post, it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly probable that I've done that and also with H position >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on switch... I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't remember but I think I've done it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > At first the COM ports only appeared in H position. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when in A position they appeared as unknown devices. 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