Timandahaf wrote: [Mon Apr 05 2010, 11:43:56PM EDT]
First, thanks for starting this thread! I did notice that Tuomov's pages were down, but since his whole site was down, I was waiting for it to come back without realizing he might have taken the whole project down. Quick question: do we know for sure Tuomov has severed connections with ion3 permanently or is this our best guess at this point?
While I have great appreciation for Tuomo's work, I don't think the answer to this question matters to me personally. I am hoping this fork will succeed because I want to pursue functionality that has so far been blocked (xinerama, xrandr, xft, iconization, EWMH, built-in support for idiosynchratic applications, etc).
ion3 has been my primary environment for a while now, and I won't consider changing. I love its design, philosophy, and simplicity, but I'm preaching to the choir here.
:-)
I'm all for forking into /one/ fork, and that too only because of the licensing issue--please lets not make multiple messy forks. Like a few of you, I don't have much time either right now, but expect to be able to contribute a more a few months down the line. But I can contribute towards getting us going right now if needed.
This is the same position I am in.
We have at least a few tasks to accomplish ASAP just so we don't lose continuity or momentum (please suggest other things that need to be done too): - We need a new name and so far, I personally like both "notion" (my top favorite) and "neon". Do we have any other nominations? Note that we can always change the name later. It's good to get moving on things even based on a temporary name if we can't reach consensus.
I've liked a number of suggestions, including particleman, but notion remains my first choice.
- We need to get the codebase including the latest set of sources (easy, many of us have this), and also as much of the associated git repos as we can.
I think we should put the current source as-is in a repo, then do a massive s/ion3/newname/ and modify the top-level documentation to mention our debt to Tuomo and the heritage of the project, while pointing users away from Tuomo and to a new bug tracker and mailing list. In other words I think the pristine source should be the first commit to the repo, so even the initial modifications (including the name change) are recorded. We should plan to make a first release within a couple months, containing the simple combination of renamed-ion3 with the existing out-of-tree modules we collect. Releasing early before going into more serious development should help us gain momentum quickly.
- We need a central place to get ourselves organized and store code. I nominate sourceforge (well established, well known, supports git). I've speculatively created a new 'notion' project (we can change name, details, or even the site later): http://notion.sourceforge.net/
Looks good, thanks!
- We need 2 or 3 managers and/or lead devlopers. IMHO, managers do not /necessarily/ need to have in-depth code knowledge, and lead developers do not need to necessarily manage, though this can all be the same person. Any volunteers?
I will be happy to contribute on both fronts after a couple weeks. Right now I'm in crunch mode toward releasing a product at work so I won't be able to immediately commit any substantial time toward notion. Regards, Aron
