James Kempf wrote:

> The upshot of what I am saying is that I believe this is not a
> purely
> technical problem. There are sociological and business aspects
> of it that suggest a solution which leverages off the existing
> authentication/business infrastructure is likely to be more of interest
> to
> existing ISPs and future wireless ISPs.
> 
> Now, that said, I agree that an infrastructureless solution may be of
> interest in some circumstances. It may even be of interest to ISPs,
> if the details are right. But I don't think there will ever be a case
> where an ISP will let a host on their network without requiring
> some kind of authentication as to the right of that host to use
> the network (unless, of course, the ISP is giving away the
> service).

True.

However, I wouldn't like to design the Internet _just_ for
the ISPs and the commercial providers. If I'm a small business
or a home, I want to set-up my networks without infrastructure,
and I want it to "just work". For instance, I could lay a
network in my home, expect IPv6 to work without major
holes even if I might be using open wireless LANs, and I
would also expect to use other types of infrastructureless
technology, such SSH for my e-mail forwarding and telnetting
needs. I don't want to set-up anything, unless we can
prove that it is necessary. And it doesn't appear to be,
based on proof by example i.e. some proposals that don't
need infrastructure.

Jari
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