There are the following motilities.

1. Node mobility
   (as an aside, if it is a 3000Kg IBM mainframe there should be enough
resources on it
    to support Mobile-IPv6)

2. Subnet/router mobility
   I guess there was a comment on it from Boeing yesterday at the niim
bof.
   (what about a mobile Cisco GSR ? )
   Does MIPv6 say anything about it ? 

Subrata


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: Mobility in Nodes Requirements
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Jim,
> > 
> > 
> >>>I don't believe that servers, for example, need to implement mobile

> >>>node functionality.  If a node is fixed and will not move, what use

> >>>is mobile node functionality?
> >>
> >>A server in a helicopter or plane is mobile for a few
> applications.  I
> >>understand I am trying to make a point that this exercise
> needs to be
> >>focused on more than the term "node".
> > 
> > 
> > So, perhaps I should have said 'Nodes which change their IP
> addresses,
> > for example base on Mobile IP, MUST implement mobile node
> > functionality.'
> > 
> > Would that kind of text cover your needs.
> 
> This is a circular definition. The issue is that a node might
> not know whether its attachment to a network is going to 
> change or not. Those that get these changes, could use mobile 
> IPv6 to deal with it and still keep sessions flowing.
> 
> Jim may have a point here about the server in a helicopter.
> But where do we draw the limit? How do we know that 3000 kg 
> IBM mainframe isn't being flown around in a cargo aircraft? 
> Also, the type of the interface on the device may have 
> significance. Or the application; a sensor reporting its 
> findings using a single packet would not need mobility.
> 
> In conclusion I don't think we can base the mobile node
> support requirement on the above definition. The options that 
> I see are the following:
> 
> - "Hosts MAY/SHOULD/MUST support mobile node functionality" (the
>    current text uses MAY).
> 
> - "Hosts SHOULD/MUST support mobile node functionality <condition>".
> 
>    Here <condition> could be e.g. related to the
>    type of the device "on portable devices", or maybe "on devices
>    weighing under 2 kilograms" ;-)
> 
>    We could base it on the type of the interfaces supported,
>    e.g., "on devices that may use wireless interfaces",
> 
>    We could base it on the type of the application, e.g., "on
>    devices that may have applications that require sessions to
>    survive movements".
> 
> Frankly, I'm not sure it is possible to formulate a good
> condition for the second option. So I'm inclined to think 
> that its either the current MAY support or possibly SHOULD 
> support. What do people think?
> 
> >>>>>   Hosts SHOULD support route optimization requirements for
> >>>>>   correspondent nodes. Routers do not need to support route
> >>>>>   optimization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Routers MAY support home agent functionality.
> >>>>
> >>>>Routers SHOULD support the HA is correct effort.  Otherwise MIPv6
> >>>>don't work.
> >>>
> >>>Not all routers need to be Home Agents  I don't believe that plain,

> >>>vanilla routers will be affected by home agent
> functionality.
> >>
> >>Routers that implement MIPv6 SHOULD support HAs.  Again context is
> >>everything.
> > 
> > 
> > That text works for me.
> 
> Uh... that's also a circular definition. Like Pekka noted
> already, there are two pieces of router functionality 
> (sections 8.3 and 8.4). The current keywords are SHOULD for 
> the AI option etc and MAY for the HA functionality. We can 
> debate these keywords, but I personally think they are fairly 
> close to the right thing.
> 
> Jari
> 
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