I could take a stab at getting a codebetter CI build up. Im pretty familiar with TeamCity, we use it at work. Not sure how CI friendly the current build script is, but hey ill give it a shot if your interested.
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tomas Matousek <tomas.matou...@microsoft.com > wrote: > Re CI server: cool, let's get one up and running then. Ideally we would > have 2 - one running on Windows and other on Linux to make sure that > IronRuby works well on both platforms. > Both should run the same test-suite (irtests script). The harness might > need some tweaks for Linux and you're welcome to submit patches. > > Re "Code review emails are just one extra step that's not needed": > Code reviews are absolutely needed! It's not a bureaucracy, it's a quality > gateway. Nobody should commit anything without a code review from the code > owner. For now, that would be mostly me (core, libraries, csproj files), Jim > (test harness, infrastructure) and Jimmy (Silverlight, ironRack). If > anybody's interesting in owning some part of IronRuby let know the current > owner. > > Actually, what do you mean by "canonical" repo? What would make GIT repo > canonical? > > Tomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [mailto: > ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Michael Letterle > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:34 PM > To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news" > > We've had a CI server set up on CJ's hardware for a while, it's actually > worked from time to time as well :) http://twitter.com/IronRubyCI > > I'm more then willing to get that up and running again, it wasn't a general > CI server though, it was mostly for mine and Ivan's changes for compilation > under Linux. > > And Code review emails are just one extra step that's not needed, it's just > bureaucracy added on by the current situation, it's a barrier to entry and a > hassle. Don't misunderstand, the work gone into them IS appreciated, but > it's just another *groan*. > > And I find it hard to believe that the only reason for an internal > canonical repo was lack of external CI.. that's not what's being implied, is > it? > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Tomas Matousek < > tomas.matou...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > Is there anybody who decided not to submit a patch based upon the > limitations/requirements of the current process and who would contribute > otherwise? > > Is anybody willing to run a continuous integration server that guards the > repo from erroneous patches? A canonical repo needs to have such a > gatekeeper. Our internal SNAP system has provided this functionality for the > internal TFS repo. > > > > BTW, "Sync to TFS" was an artifact of lack of automated sync tool. We now > have that tool, thanks to Jim, so you should see less of these. Code review > emails has been sent for most of the changes that were made to Ruby repo > anyways. So if you watched the mailing list you could easily track what's > going on. Only comments to changesets that included some internal > infrastructure changes weren't sent to the mailing list. > > > > Tomas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > > [mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of William > > Green > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:36 PM > > To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > > Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news" > > > > I agree with Michael here. As long as the canonical source for IronRuby > lives in TFS behind the big blue firewall, with only MSFT employees as core > committers, there is a problem. > > > > What I propose is that we, as a community, designate the github repo > > as the canonical one, and that whoever controls it opens up commit > > access beyond the MSFT core team, perhaps to those that have already > > had accepted contribution. (this may already be in place, I don't > > know) > > > > Bottom line is that MSFT has decided they no longer desire to invest in > the project. If we want IronRuby, we're going to have to make it happen, on > our own. > > > > -- > > Will Green > > http://hotgazpacho.org/ > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Michael Letterle <michael.lette...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> If Microsoft was simply sponsoring development and putting its stamp > >> on it, it wouldn't be a problem.. but the fact that MS "owns" it IS a > >> bottleneck, as been from the start. "Sync to TFS" commits make me > >> cringe everytime I see them. > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jim Deville <jdevi...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > >>> I guess I never really sent the mail that I meant to send about my > >>> progression. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Similar to Jimmy, I've also made the incredibly hard decision to > >>> move on as well. I've been working on the JavaScript team now for > >>> about 2 weeks. I've made this decision for many of the same reasons > >>> as Jimmy, but for various personal reasons, I decided to remain with > >>> MS instead of leaving. I will still be working with IronRuby, it > >>> just won't be my primary function anymore. I also had a wonderful > >>> time on the team, and I will really miss working directly with them. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I agree that IronRuby is not a big community, but I don't know that > >>> it is a problem unless we let it be one J. I also feel that MS > >>> owning the code isn't a problem. It's not like it really benefits > >>> anyone inside of MS, it benefits us, the users J. It also benefits > >>> the Ruby community at large if we continue to make IronRuby a great > >>> product that people want to use in their .NET applications, because > >>> it shows people Ruby J > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I understand that this is sad, and for some, expected L, but I hope > >>> that people still continue doing the awesome things people have been > >>> doing J > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> JD > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org > >>> [mailto:ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Orion > >>> Edwards > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:43 PM > >>> > >>> To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > >>> Subject: [Ironruby-core] "Start spreading the news" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm sure most of you have seen this already, but I hadn't seen > >>> Jimmy's "farewell Microsoft" blog post posted to the list, so here > >>> it is if anyone hasn't read it > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/08/start-spreading-news-future- > >>> o > >>> f-jimmy.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I'd like to thank Jimmy for his work thus far on IronRuby, and > >>> certainly wish you the best of luck at your new job and living in > >>> NYC. From that point of view, it's happy days. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The news about Microsoft's internal handling of IronRuby however > >>> makes me rather sad, and frankly a bit worried about the future of > >>> IronRuby in general. If there's now only 2 part-time developers > >>> working on IR inside Microsoft, and they've been told not to develop > >>> any new features, then where does that leave us? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> While IronRuby is open source (yay), It unfortunately hasn't seem to > >>> have become quite big enough (unlike JRuby) to be self sustaining. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I personally also perceive somewhat of a problem, in that (again, > >>> unlike with JRuby) Microsoft "owns" IronRuby. Last I knew, > >>> committers still had to sign a copyright assignment form to MS, and > >>> MS controls all the repositories and other assorted stuff. (AFAIK > >>> Charles has personally controlled all the JRuby repos since day one and > still does). > >>> > >>> This provides a LARGE (to me at least) disincentive to contribute to > >>> IronRuby in the future. Because MS owns IronRuby, I feel like if I > >>> were to commit code, it would not be for the benefit of a nice > >>> friendly community-driven open source group, it would be for the > >>> benefit of Microsoft Corporation. > >>> > >>> I was happy to accept this when MS were putting a lot of work into > >>> IronRuby, but now that they're not, my feeling is "So Microsoft have > >>> bailed and left us hanging, why on earth would I want to do work on > >>> their behalf after they've just done that?" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At any rate, I've not committed any code to IronRuby (I've come > >>> close several times, but never just had the time) so my opinion is > >>> largely irrelevant, I just hope that other potential committers with > >>> more time and skill than I don't end up feeling this way too :-( > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ironruby-core mailing list > >>> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Letterle > >> IronRuby MVP > >> http://blog.prokrams.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ironruby-core mailing list > >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > _______________________________________________ > > Ironruby-core mailing list > > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > _______________________________________________ > > Ironruby-core mailing list > > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > > > > > -- > Michael Letterle > IronRuby MVP > http://blog.prokrams.com > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > -- "The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct." - Occam’s Razor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
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