4. Rails on .NET I think asp.net mvc took a lot of the wind out of this particular scenario, but rails is still literally *years* ahead of MVC in both maturity and thinking.
If we could get rails under ironruby easily deplorable to iis, I think this would help a lot On question I'd REALLY like answered is this: Does Jimmy still have commit access to the main repos on github now that he's left MS? Does anyone else outside MS have this? Thanks, Orion On 9/08/2010, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Berridge <kevin.w.berri...@gmail.com> wrote: > To Cory's point about IronRuby's credibility in the Enterprise: > > I think its certainly true that if IronRuby is not a MS supported tool, there > will be shops that will not be able to use it. On the other hand, there are > still plenty of other shops that could use it, if only they understand what > they could use it for and how. > > To date, the story of what IronRuby is "for" has been rather weak. I know > it's a language, and so it's possibilities are just about endless, but what > are the main areas we think people can derive significant benefit from using > it? > > If IronRuby really does end up being primarily community driven, we need to > come up with a much better story around what it is for, and helping people > get started with using it for those things. This could help drive adoption, > which could in turn help drive contributors. > > Some examples of things IronRuby may be 'for": > 1. Unit Testing > (http://kevin-berridge.blogspot.com/2010/08/testing-c-with-rspec-and-ruby.html) > 2. Embedded Scripting > (http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2009/12/ironruby-rubyconf-2009-part-35.html) > 3. Silverlight > (http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2008/08/walk-through-silverlight-flickr-client.html) > 4. ? > > Jimmy talked about #1 and #2 here: > http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/04/mix10-part-3-using-dynamic-languages-in.html > > Thanks, > Kevin Berridge > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Slavo Furman <sla...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Cory, too, but on the other hand it would be very helpful > if Microsoft (I mean someone who can speak for Microsoft) clearly say > what are they intentions with IronRuby (and maybe IronPython, too) for > the future. > > Are they "releasing IronRuby to the community"? Is Microsoft like to > (officially) participate in future in IronRuby development? If so, in > what way? As a project owner? And so on... > > Only knowing in what situation we really are we can make our decisions > about what to do. > > More clarity will also help with using the technology, for example, I > am considering using IronRuby for one project and now I do not know > what to expect from future (questions like - will development of > IronRuby continue, what about Silverlight and Azure support, what > about v1.9 compatibility, ...) and it is now became problematic to > make some of decisions. > > thanks, > Slavo. > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Eduardo Blumenfeld <li...@ruby-forum.com> > wrote: > > I agree 100% with Cory, we just need to calm down, regroup, give support > > to Tomas, make our opinions heard and continue using the technology that > > helps us become way more productive in our jobs. > > > > On the other hand Jimmy will still be around, he just moved to another > > job. > > > > Regards, > > > > Eduardo Blumenfeld > > > > Cory Foy wrote: > >> Ok, I like to propose a pause in action. > >> > >> Here's what we know. Jimmy has moved on, as has Jim. Tomas is the main > >> person left, and from the emails we've received, he's only working on it > >> part-time. I don't know the politics of this specific org, but being an > >> ex-softie I do have an idea, and that hunch is that the politics that > >> caused the reshuffle were not a conspiracy theory against IronRuby, but > >> just normal organization dysfunction and quarterly reorganization. > >> > >> We also know thay we have a community of people who are passionate about > >> IronRuby, and a secondary wave of people driven into action by the > >> events of the past day or so. It stands to reason, from work I've done > >> in other communties, that one or two will end up being long term > >> participants because of the new awareness. > >> > >> That said, I don't think that what we should do right now is fork it, > >> since IronRuby relies heavily on the DLR which wouldn't be controlled. > >> This is not to say that we take it off the table. Rather we need to ask > >> ourselves what holes have now opened up that we need to fill: > >> > >> 1) Jimmy provided leadership and vision for the project. We've now lost > >> that, and either Tomas will pick this up internally, or we will need an > >> external person to run with the vision. Regardless, the person will have > >> to interface with and understand the vision from the Microsoft side. > >> > >> 2) Tomas already mentioned needs like a CI and gatekeeper. I bet there > >> are lots of other needs, and if this is truly a community-owned > >> movement, we need to engage with Tomas and the remaining team to > >> understand what else we're missing. > >> > >> 3) IronRuby has likely taken a huge blow of credibility from the > >> enterprise adoption side, because if it isn't supported by Microsoft > >> PSS, they will be unlikely to use it internally or in their products. > >> > >> All three of these are vital points that we need to think about as a > >> community. Someone is going to have to step up to take charge of this - > >> and it's not going to come from the Mono side. Tomas may be willing to > >> take charge as much as possible - no one has asked him, and that's a > >> shame. > >> > >> IronRuby has not had a heart attack which requires CPR. That means we > >> need to take a measured, levelheaded response as a community and work to > >> understand how we can help and how we can respond in a way that makes > >> sense. We already know from Jimmy's tweets that he's planning an email > >> for the group - how can we take advantage of the knowledge Jim and Jimmy > >> have, and support the work Tomas is doing? > >> > >> Finally, we may have a burst of energy right now, but no form of > >> sprinting is going to help solve this. This is not a "we have to take > >> action now before we lose the opportunity!" moment. The code is there. > >> Many of the contributors are there, and know what is going on > >> internally. Let's collaborate and find a way to make this project a real > >> success. > >> > >> Cory > > > > -- > > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > _______________________________________________ > > Ironruby-core mailing list > > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core
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