> It'll certainly take more memory then highly optimised ASM code (like Tiny
> Bootloader).

Jalv2 allows ASM code with: assembler...end assembler, could this be a
solution?

The point to me is that we should not have to use another bootloader,
we should use and support our own that works on a veriety of PIC's. As
some say, there are disadvantages to bootloaders, can we overcome
whaterver disadavantages they are? I'm sure there must be a way to
reduce the chance of overwriting a bootloader. Why is there a jallib
USB bootloader but not a serial bootloader?

I'm not sure of the price of the Jaluino board, but if a programmer
was not required for it, a lot more people would be interested.

I know someone whom would like to try PIC's, he doesn't have much cash
to get started so I was thinking about programming a bootloader onto a
PIC for him. A PIC with a bootloader programmed would do the trick.
Also people like me whom have an older programmer would be able to get
a pre-programmed PIC with bootloader. Even new programmers are not
able to program them all.

I wish I could get a PIC like PIC18F97J60 with a bootloader, I see no
programmers around that can program a PIC like this but if someone was
able to put a bootloader on it for me I might buy it. I would not care
how large the bootloader is on a huge PIC like this. This is the kind
of PIC I would love to see on development boards.

I tried to compile tiny bootloader with the current version of MPLAB
and it didn't compile. I am assuming it needs MPLAB 6, but I can't
find it anyways.

A jalv2 bootloader would have it's advantages.

Matt.

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