I'm waiting for the 3D printer which will be able to print a board with component already soldered. I will have one of those even I must sell my house for that... :)
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM, funlw65(Vasi) <[email protected]> wrote: > Believe it or not, this is a computer generated image of a PCB. > Simply amazing: > http://www.ignorancia.org/uploads/experiments/eagle3d/wips/modsmega-03.jpg > > -- > Vasi > > On Nov 4, 11:31 am, "funlw65(Vasi)" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know who will produce these boards but both Jaluino CELL > > boards needs little adjustments for production: all silk screen > > elements which enter in "Stop" areas must be removed and this mean > > component editing. I hate Eagle. Is so easy on DipTrace! > > > > -- > > Vasi > > > > On Nov 4, 11:13 am, "funlw65(Vasi)" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Then, let the debates begin :D . > > > > > -- > > > Vasi > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:39 am, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > It looks serial connector matches new Jaluino v2.0 pinout (FTDI > cable), > > > > great ! :) > > > > If you're in the mood of creating PCBs, what about a Jaluino Bee: > > > > > > - xbee compatible socket: you choose which comm. board (bee) you > want to > > > > use (XBee, Bluetooth-Bee, USB-Bee, home-made hope-RF-bee, ...) > > > > - *-bee board could be plugged below so pin headers from 18fxxxx > would be > > > > accessible > > > > - or, *-bee board could be plugged above, so JaluinoBee could be > plugged > > > > on a breadboard > > > > > > I don't have any xbee board or the like, but it seems it becomes more > on > > > > more popular, some *uino even provide a bee socket as part of the > main board > > > > (look at Seeeduino Stalker). As you say, having a widely used > standard > > > > socket like this is quite interesting. > > > > > > Bee socket provides many pins, I understand only few are needed for > minimal > > > > setup: power, DIN, DOUT (tx/rx). Maybe also CTS/ for reset system. > I'm not > > > > sure about all the functionality of other pins, but for instance one > is a > > > > PWM output proportional to signal strength. There sure will be > debates about > > > > which pin should be kept and which shouldn't... > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Seb > > > > > > 2010/11/4 funlw65(Vasi) <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Done. Jaluino CELL Serial - Reset on RTS; CTS and Handshake not > > > > > implemented (no space). > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/funlw65/20100513#5535603617251461586 > > > > > > > Here is the archive: > > > > > > > > https://sites.google.com/site/funlw65/file-archive/JaluinoCELLSerial.... > > > > > > > It needs careful verification. I did it but is not enough. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Vasi > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:21 am, "funlw65(Vasi)" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm trying to make a serial version of Jaluino CELL, featuring > other > > > > > > microcontrollers as 18F25k22 but long pads are killing me... > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 3:37 am, mattschinkel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The 3 empty boards look like a structural thing. PCB is cheap > and > > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > > Matt. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 4:48 pm, Joep Suijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is the point of having 3 almost empty board and a cell? > > > > > > > > > > Joep > > > > > > > > > > 2010/11/3 funlw65(Vasi) <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > Here: > > > > > > > > >http://jpmandon.blogspot.com/2010/11/partybot.html > > > > > > > > > is an example of how to use Jaluino CELL in a real > application. > > > > > > > > > Warning, this is not for our PCB guru :) . > > > > > > > > > > > Vasi > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:05 pm, Sebastien Lelong < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I think you need to cut caps' wires ends after soldering > :) > > > > > > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > > > > >> Seb > > > > > > > > > > >> 2010/11/3 funlw65(Vasi) <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> > This is how it looks underside: > > > > > > > > >> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/funlw65/20100513#5535259872597475378 > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Nov 2, 5:56 pm, mattschinkel < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > The actual parts are cheaper in SMD as well. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Matt. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Nov 2, 5:27 am, Oliver Seitz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > SMD versions would be cheaper to manufacturer. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > That's true. I've once asked my PCB assembling > company, and > > > > > they told > > > > > > > > >> > me how PCBs are populated: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > 1. solder paste is applied to the top side for SMDs > using a > > > > > stencil > > > > > > > > >> > > > 2. top-side SMDs are placed in the paste > > > > > > > > >> > > > 3. top-side SMDs are soldered (infrared, hot-air or > the > > > > > like) > > > > > > > > >> > > > 4. bottom-side SMDs are glued in place without > solder paste > > > > > > > > >> > > > 5. the glue is dried. This takes its time and > therefore > > > > > costs money > > > > > > > > >> > > > 6. top-side THTs are placed > > > > > > > > >> > > > 7. top-side THTs and bottom-side SMDs are soldered > (possibly > > > > > selective, > > > > > > > > >> > wave soldering or the like) > > > > > > > > >> > > > 8. bottom-side THTs are placed and soldered by hand. > That's > > > > > expensive, > > > > > > > > >> > of course. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > So, cheapest is SMD with parts on one side only. > Next is THT > > > > > only. Then > > > > > > > > >> > come mixed SMD and THT with all parts on one side. Then > SMD on > > > > > both sides > > > > > > > > >> > plus THT on top side only. The most expensive are PCBs > with SMD > > > > > and THT, > > > > > > > > >> > both on both sides. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > I'm not sure where to put "SMDs on both sides, no > THTs" as > > > > > it could > > > > > > > > >> > well be that no glue is necessary then. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > All of this only applies to automatically populated > PCBs in > > > > > perhaps 100 > > > > > > > > >> > pieces or more. For low quantities, THT might even be > cheaper as > > > > > no > > > > > > > > >> > solder-paste stencil has to be made. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Greets, > > > > > > > > >> > > > Kiste > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the > > > > > Google Groups > > > > > > > > >> > "jallib" group. > > > > > > > > >> > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > >> > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > . > > > > > > > > >> > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > >> Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > > Groups "jallib" group. > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > > groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "jallib" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "jallib" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. 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