Hi Mike,

Thanks for your comments.  Some reactions from my side.

The sample programs are generated using Python and sometimes it generates a 
crystal version and sometimes using tehe internal oscillator. I agree with you 
that not using the crystal is easier. I could have a look if I could upgrade 
the script to detect internal oscillators for other PICs.

I am thinking about starting a Youtube channel on it but I did not make that 
step (yet).

You are right about the homepage. It should be refurbished. I do have some 
access to the page - it is not maintained by me - but I do not have sufficient 
rights. Next to that I am not a webpage builder but fixing broken links is 
doable.

About lowercase. It was chosen a long time ago when it all started and I had to 
adapt to it since it was not my preferece too. It is about taste and I could 
live with it.

The comments. No comment 🙂

Kind regards,

Rob

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Van: 'Mike' via jallib <[email protected]>
Verzonden: maandag 23 november 2020 22:26
Aan: jallib <[email protected]>
Onderwerp: [jallib] Re: How to improve the popularity of JAL?

Hi Rob,

My thanks as well for all of your efforts.

A few things that come to mind that I have given thought to in the past:

* I agree that YouTube videos would help.  So many people are using YouTube to 
get started in things.

* Whenever I start working with a new PIC I'm surprised that the "sample" 
programs are almost all using crystals.  I take the sample program for my new 
PIC and change it to use the internal oscillator.  I think the internal 
oscillator should be the default sample program as it's easier to get going and 
not everyone may have crystals on hand.

* Some of the home page links are confusing.  The "jallib" support link does 
lead here, but the "jallist" support link doesn't go to the Google group.  The 
"jallib" main site link goes to a no longer used Google code archive.  These 
might be confusing to newcomers.  I'm also not sure of the difference between 
the "jallist" and "jallib" groups.

* I'm not sure if it's clear on the home page how to install JAL or how to 
update it when a new "bee" is released.

* One Microchip forum user commented about JAL, earlier in the year:
" There are some things about the JAL language that I don't like. For instance, 
why use "--" for comments rather than the more standard "//" or "/* ... */" 
pair? Well, they are standard in C, C++, and the "//" in Delphi. The "--" is 
used in Ada and several other languages, and there are many others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comment_(computer_programming)

I see that neither Delphi nor JAL are listed in that Wiki page. Maybe they 
should be added. "

* One thing I personally don't like about JAL is the libraries' use of 
lowercase, which I find difficult to read.  There have been a few libraries 
that I have created before they existed in JAL, but have been hesitant to 
contribute them since I don't like conforming to the all lowercase standard.

Just some thoughts.  Don't take them as criticisms, but as honest feedback.

Regards,
Mike

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 12:42:38 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:
Hi all,

I am looking for ways to improve the popularity of JAL and I would like to hear 
your reaction on this topic.

Currently JAL is still maintained, that is new device files are generated when 
new PICs are released, compiler issues are fixed (if possible) and new 
libraries are released. In 2020,  libraries where created for the following 
devices:  nRF24L01+ transceiver, digital potentiometers X9C102, X9C103, X9C104, 
X9C503, TM1637, SSD1306 graphics display module, nRF905 transceiver, Si5351a 
clock generator and a library for DFPlayer Mini.

I would like to see that more people use JAL and more people would like to 
contribute.

Some ideas to get more people interested:
-) Add more libraries (not sure which though)
-) Create a multi-platform IDE (Windows, Linux, Mac)
-) Post Youtube video's about getting started with JAL
-) Extend the JAL language (not possible by me since fixing compiler bugs is 
not the same as extending the compiler with new features)
-) ....

Looking forward to your suggestions.

Thanks

Kind regards,

Rob



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