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Hmph. It appears that mindcraft used jserv 1.0 (they mention the
version in the "mindcraft certification" section).
I am pretty sure that jserv 1.0 is much, much slower than jserv 1.1
Also, $1500 per server for iPlanet? Try $35,000 (thats right, 35 *thousand*
dollars) per cpu! Thats what iPlanet costs.
so if you use a 4 cpu Sun e450, be prepared for a list price of
$140,000 just for iplanet alone. I got the pricing from
http://www.flashline.com/components/appservermatrix.jsp, BTW... a pretty
nice site...
You can also read www.infoworld.com to see their opinion of iPlanet.
The bottom line: a great product, but not worth the price tag.
You are also comparing apples to oranges, a little bit. Full bodied
Application Servers like iPlanet, WebSphere and their ilk provide a
lot more services than jserv does. Read up on the J2EE specs to see
why you would need one.
My personal take is this:
Unless you are writing a huge industrial strength application that
absolutely requires some pretty high end features, you are better
off using jserv or tomcat.
In your particular case, where you have already written your app
using jserv, this tells me that it probably doesn't need the advanced
features of a full blow app server. So why spend the money and time
on it?
On a side note, I take anything from mindcraft with not a grain,
but fistfulls of salt. I have seen several of their surveys that
are quite ridiculous. AFAIK, they take money from vendors and design
"benchmarks" that would favor the vendors. Like using jserv 1.0,
for instance, knowing full well that jserv 1.1 would have made
iPlanet look a lot less appealing.
Hope that helps,
naeem
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> From: Ben Ricker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:09 PM
> To: Java Apache Users
> Subject: Jserv vs. iPlanet
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> I have a dilemma that I would like to open up for possible discussion.
>
> Right now, I am running Apache 1.3.12 with Jserv 1.1 and 1.1.2, both
> Sun's and Blackdown's JDK 1.2.2. We run a servlet based web app which
> accesses an Oracle database through JDBC.
>
> The question has arose: why aren't we using iPlanet? Now, my main
> argument is, of course, we would pay $1500 per server while
> right now we
> pay $0 per server (for the software). However, as our company
> grows, the
> money will start to flow. iPlanet's site
(http://www.iplanet.com) has a
whole bunch of reasons to switch to them. I can handle most of the
points but one point they make is hard to counter. They site benchmarks
from http://www.mindcraft.com which show that iPlanet beats
Jserv/Stronghold by factors of 4.
I cannot say I udnerstand the methodology of the benchmarks (such as
"latency" as they term it). Can someone clue me in? Is there anyone who
see holes in their methodology? Any help would be appreciated.
Ben Ricker
Web Administrator
US-Rx, Inc.
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