1) I am not a member of java-linux-porting@blackdown. They are a private porting club.
2) I have been porting the Javasoft's non-commercial JDK source for a number of 
years.. But just for for alpha/linux.
3) I have also been a member of java-linux@blackdown for  a number of years.
4) the change of anything in '.java', including the lp ->lpr, would violate your 
notion, sorry , interpretation of the license requirements
5) In the land of alpha longs are 64bits as well as address pointers =>

        .java
                int    lets_store_a_32_bit_address;
                private native    int wheres_my_window();
                lets_store_a_32_bit_address = wheres_my_window();
                ......

        Native .c
                int    wheres_my_window(blah*,blah ){
                     long    addr;
                    addr = (Window) w;
                    return(addr);
                }
This particular example results in the truncation of a returned 64 bit 'c' address, 
into a 32bit '.java' variable/storage. u can of course change the 'c' routine to 
return all 64bits, but that will be, eventually, truncated by the jvm to 32bits. In 
the Land of "OSF/true64" for the Dec Alpha, u can convince the compiler to produce 
32bit pointer arithemetic, where long == 32bits. But the currently available 
linux/alpha compilers a long==pointer==64bits.

6) Actually complaining, or presenting my viewpoints does do some good. The whole 
linux-java community is not just java-linux-porting@blackdown. There are other linux 
folks out there, of which Sun pays little attention to.  Cant imagine how the 
java-linux-porting folks got their commercial license, if it weren't for all of those 
complaining linux/Intel folks - in this forum, and in the Sun's bug-tracking system.

7) I didn't ask u to set a reasonable fee, I just threw back ur statement as to what 
would be a reasonable fee be to port java/linux/alpha. After all sun did say that they 
support the linux community. I'm just waiting for the support that they had advertised.

gat

Jeff Galyan wrote:

> If you're part of the Java-linux porting team, then the concessions Sun
> made to them should also extend to you, right?
>
> Now, a change of 'lp' to 'lpr' in a Runtime.exec call is *very*
> different than changing the size of an int. The license I have for the
> Java VM source says that none of the .java files are to be modified at
> all. I'm sure Apple makes some modifications, too, but again, this is
> what my license says.
>
> As for stating a reasonable fee, I'm not the person who would be setting
> the fees, so I cannot give you a quote of any kind. If the Blackdown
> distribution license doesn't extend to you, then you'd best contact Sun
> to find out why (since you say you're porting for Linux on Alpha) and
> what can be done to remedy that. Complaining on a mailing list that Sun
> isn't catering to you isn't going to do anyone any good.
>
> --Jeff




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