I would just like to set some facts straight.
1. Anyone can get the full java 2 source for research, evaluation and
internal use (which roughly equates to the previous non-commerical license
before). You couldn't get the full source without this license before
Java 2. SCSL means that you can use the source in this manner without having
to sign a commercial license, the license states that to use the source
commercially you need to submit a signed hard copy.
2. You need to pass the JCK/TCK tests and sign a commercial license
to publically release a binary product. The blackdown group have done
this and it would make things a great deal easier for Sun if other
ports subscribed to the existing license since the legal work involved
is being done for free for linux.
3. We would love to post alpha/linux diffs if the port can be released
when it has passed the license. Perhaps even integrate back stuff that could
benefit all platforms.
4. getting java on linux is one part of a forward looking vision. We want
to make it a hard decision when people choose their OS, right? We need
to work together, yes even make some sacrifices which are never easy, but
if that helps improve the case for Linux then surely its better to make
history than be history.
regards
calvin
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> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:30:59 -0400
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> I'd much perfer that you private porting club become public. Ur hiding behind
> the NDA, just makes u appear to be in the marketeering pockets os SUN. This
> can be exemplified by the way that the JDK 1.2 release announcement was made
> by SUN before any announcements on the normal channels at blackdown. U'r
> exclusive sun/java-linux-porting allience, appears to me to be outside of the
> linux community ethical standards. I'm sorry but thats how i feel. And the
> blackdown java-linux-porting group has done nothing at all to change this, but
> has done quite a bit to re-assure me that NOT Joining was the right thing to
> do.
> Can I presume thet the Death of the Non-Commercial Licensing for the JDK 1.2
> was in part because ur private porting group signed a commercial licensing
> agreement with sun.? Or maybe you folks dont realize what u did. I Guess its
> no different that what the movie "BRAVEHEART" depicted when *some* of the
> scotish nobility sold out their country to the king of england.
>
> As for Joining, historically speeking, when the porting efforts was quite
> young, I did in fact do a "subscribe java-linux-porting" once. It was reject
> by Karl Asha, because I didn't provide a piece of code from the JDK source -
> to demonstrate that I had aquired a sun license. Some discussion ensued about
> the necessisity of this, and chose not to join. group philosophy was quite
> different also then.
>
> offers to Joining only came recently, after many years of doing my porting
> without any assistence by your group. Something was up, only later did I find
> out that your group aquired/signed the commercial license to port 1.2. I
> suppose it was just coincidence, i dont think so I also suppose having my
> diffs would make your private porting to the 'alpha' fairly easy ( I say
> fairly because I do not know if the JCK is neutral with respect to 32/64bit
> issues ).
>
> When I do my alpha ports, I feel that I am doing it for the Alpha Linux
> community. I'm just not ready to work for Sun guised as a linux porter.
>
> So How about dropping the Sun commercial license in favor of giving everyone
> in the linux community an equal opportunity at porting.
>
> gat
>
> Does anyone know how to contact "/.". I'd like to publish this
>
> BTW, u do know that NON-COMM licenses for 1.2 has stopped?
> Thanks for the encouragement to take the next step. I have tried to refrain in
> doing so. I dont think this next step is what u expected.
>
> Michael Sinz wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:01:05 -0400, Uncle George wrote:
> >
> > >1) I am not a member of java-linux-porting@blackdown. They are a private
> > > porting club.
> >
> > You have been invited to be part of the effort. The "private" part
> > comes from the fact that we had to sign NDA/Contracts so that we could
> > start working on the JDK 1.2/Java 2 code. Before that (JDK 1.1.x) you
> > were also invited to join and you had also declined.
> >
> > You have also declined to post your Alpha DIFFs such that people like
> > myself could compile the code for my Alpha CPU optimizations. (And maybe
> > link with Motif rather than LessTif)
> >
> > >2) I have been porting the Javasoft's non-commercial JDK source for a
> > > number of years.. But just for for alpha/linux.
> >
> > Yes, and Alpha owners/users are happy that you have done so.
> >
> > At this point I would say the next step is up to you. You may join the
> > porting group (no cost, just some NDA stuff) and continue to have your
> > work be of benefit to all Linux/Alpha users. Or you can post your diffs
> > (which is still legal) and let each interested user download the Sun source
> > and do their own build (yes, this is non-trivial due to the bootstrap
> > requirements, but again, your work would be made available to others)
> >
> > Maybe someone with a license could even make the compiled port available.
> > (Assuming there is someone who has the time and license to do so)
> >
>
>
>
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