Call me stupid, but I never understand why a API extension should have export restrictions when it is useless without the already export restricted JVM. No JVM means no need for extensions. And the knowledge is in books, not inside jars.
Alessandro --- Lars van Gemerden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > So how can java3D become open source if there is a > ban on distribution to > specific countries? Is the move to open source still > on? Maybe Sun can > answer this one? > > Lars > > PS: Maybe it will be half open source? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion list for Java 3D API > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > John Wright > Sent: zaterdag 12 juni 2004 13:36 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] Source code, licensing, and > deployment > > > Lars, > > I too find it difficult to believe a "ban" could > effectively be > implemented. It's very easy to burn 4.7 Gig of data > on a DVD and > transport that... no high tech spy work needed! > > As with many things the "cure" is often worse than > the "problem". Those > of us that are legal Java developers suffer > needlessly in a pitiful > attempt to make it more difficult for the "evil > people" to obtain a bit > of technology. > > - John Wright > Starfire Research > > Lars van Gemerden wrote: > > > So what will happen with this ban when java3D > becomes open source? Or > might > > this be a showstopper? Anyway, what are the > chances that this ban will > stop > > anything from entering a "banned" country? It > seems that all an > organisation > > in a "banned" country needs is a proxyserver in a > non-banned country to > > circumvent the reverse DNS or other IP-based > check. > > > > Beside the point: I remember that there was a > similar ban on the export of > > encryption software (actually more complicated, > because it depended on > > country, type of company to use the software, > algorithm, keylength). The > > administration became huge. However the algorithms > could be exported in > book > > form ... Some European and Israeli companies > cashed in nicely on that. At > > some point the ban was dropped. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Lars > > > > PS: these user installation issues were the reason > I dropped my last > > project. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Discussion list for Java 3D API > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > John Wright > > Sent: dinsdag 8 juni 2004 13:48 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] Source code, licensing, and > deployment > > > > > > The problem (as per my last discussion with Sun > regarding this) is that > > we can not legally allow Java 3D to be downloaded > (without being able to > > technically guarantee it isn't being downloaded in > a "banned" country). > > So if you are distributing on CD (and obviously > not in a "banned" > > country) then it isn't an issue, but for > electronic (Internet) > > distribution it's a "no go". > > > > (I believe the same applies for Java itself) > > > > I get plenty of tech support "problems" from > customers that are confused > > and struggle to properly download Java and Java > 3D. It would be a great > > benefit to Java developers if we were legally able > to package our > > applications to avoid such issues. > > > > - John Wright > > Starfire Research > > > > Paul Brown wrote: > > > >> From the Java3D 1.3.1 readme file: > >> > >>"Sun Microsystems allows vendors to distribute the > Java 3D(TM) Runtime > >>environment with their Java programs" > >> > >>So what is the issue with regard to licencing and > distribution? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>-Paul > >> > >> > > > > > =========================================================================== > > > >>To unsubscribe, send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the > > > > body > > > >>of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". 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