On Feb 19, 9:10 pm, robogeek <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 1:42 pm, Tor Norbye <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Releasing it is not going to be easy. There's a whole open source
> > review thing you've gotta go through when you open source stuff - it
> > took a long time for the JDK, and there's a cost to it.
Hi Tor, robogeek et al... :)
Thanks for the reply. For the life of me I can't think on how in-house
developed code needs any "legal review" if it doesn't use third party
code. But then I'm no lawyer. :-)
> > Plus in the VB
> > area there might be legal issues as well...
IBM had no problem in shipping IBM VisualAge for Basic back in the
late 1990s, nor does NS Basic Corp for selling its Symbian/WindowsCE/
PalmOS IDE "NS Basic"
nor does the dozen firms whom sell basic compilers of all sorts ...
like PowerBasic - http://www.powerbasic.com/aboutpb.asp (although I
question their choice of listing Basic as used as the model for Star
Wars ... might scare a whole nation ;-P - "So who uses PowerBASIC? You
might be surprised. James Byrne, Chief Architect of the Strategic
Defense Initiative (Star Wars) used it to build a model for the
missile defense system" ;-).
> > -- Tor
>
> There is an obvious strategic goodness to that end goal of assisting
> VB to run in the Java ecosystem.
My point. Back in the Java 1.0 days, there was a lot of talk about
Java being "not only a language" but "more than a language, but also a
VM and a cross-platform software ecosystem"
> But, I have studied that outbound open source review process quite
> extensively when I was at Sun. It is a daunting process to get stuff
> to be open sourced @ Sun. That's one of the things which make me
> wonder about the seriousness with which Sun is taking 'Open Source'.
It's easy... you stick a GPL license to it and upload it to the web
server. ;-)
> Okay so there are a lot of valid business concerns in that process
> however many of the questions you have to answer in that process
> strike me as holdovers from an era before Jonathan began pushing the
> company into the open source world. However the biggest cost in the
> process was screening the code to ensure Sun holds rights to
> everything sufficient to license under an open source license.
See my point above wrt to in-house developed code...
> A shortcut on that specific cost comes if every line of code was written
> by a Sun employee as then Sun obviously has the required rights.
Exactly, my point. From what I read about project semplice it was
written @ Sun by
Herbert, Tor, and John Kline.
And the fact that Openoffice includes Staroffice Basic leads one to
believe that Sun *already* is publishing and shipping a Basic
programming language and runtime.
> Legal issues ...hmm... yeah, Microsoft might have a patent or two
> against VB don't'cha think? Sigh.
>
> - David
See above David.
Regards
FC
PS: Down here in South America, stuff is still written in Visualbasic
as I write this...
There's job ads for Visual Basic 6 skills in the thousands
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22visual+basic+6%22+site%3Atrovit.com&btnG=Search
plus MSFT is still shipping a Visual Basic IDE, 2008 edition
http://www.microsoft.com/Express/VB/
PS#2: the problem is that every time the word "Basic" is uttered in a
Java forum or newsgroup, everyone goes into "hostile mode" saying
"that C**P" "that S**T" etc etc - and I don't blame them. Java and the
OO paradigm are clearly better for the enterprise. What people don't
realize is that Java should ENCOURAGE people with VB skills to make
the jump, not scare them away. Having an IDE that can let them use
thier VB skills to obtain Java bytecode apps is a good first step to
encourage them to begin deploying Java code, understanding how Java
works, and eventually making the mental jump from the Basic to the
Java paradigm. And even if they don't want to and want to stay with
their VB skills, the community would have won another cross-platform
Java bytecode app. I couldn't care less about what language was used
to type it, all I care is that I can java -jar appname.jar and run
it!.
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